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Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

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Re: Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

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> It's crazy to me that our profession fights unionization despite repeated, predictable and consistent anti-worker, antisocial, narcissistic, ego driven companies that grind us up and spit us out Unionization is no different from giving someone else control over your paycheck. Just as there are narcissistic bosses there are mafia-like unions and, in both cases, you're not going to know until it's too late. The benef…

This is precisely the attitude that keeps us here. Crabs in a bucket. >Vested RSUs turn people into millionaires overnight. So do lottery tickets - your odds are about the same too >The benefit of the tech industry is that there's always a market for it and there are low barriers to entry. Programmers can vote with their feet. This isn't the 1950s. There are millions of choices for tech workers today that aren't stre…

My poor immigrant Indian grandparents became millionaires as did many of their siblings and friends. They certainly wouldn't have done so with socialism.

Re: Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

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> It's crazy to me that our profession fights unionization despite repeated, predictable and consistent anti-worker, antisocial, narcissistic, ego driven companies that grind us up and spit us out Unionization is no different from giving someone else control over your paycheck. Just as there are narcissistic bosses there are mafia-like unions and, in both cases, you're not going to know until it's too late. The benef…

This is precisely the attitude that keeps us here. Crabs in a bucket. >Vested RSUs turn people into millionaires overnight. So do lottery tickets - your odds are about the same too >The benefit of the tech industry is that there's always a market for it and there are low barriers to entry. Programmers can vote with their feet. This isn't the 1950s. There are millions of choices for tech workers today that aren't stre…

I was curious about your claim about the lottery...

This article has a quote from a California Lottery spokesman saying 138 people won a million+ in 2021: https://patch.com/california/orange-county/californias-top-1....

This article also from 2021 estimates 7000+ millionaires from 35 bay area IPOs that year: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/08/technology/silicon-valley...

When you factor in the number of lottery tickets sold each year vs the number of people working for startups, and the fact that at a startup you do have at least some degree of control over the outcome (that's part of the reason you would take the job), it seems like the lottery comparison is pretty far from correct in reality.

Re: Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

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I was listening to Andrej Karpathy's interview on the Lex Friedman podcast. Karpathy said that Elon's superpower is "human engineering" and limiting "entropy" in large organizations. If you trust Karpathy as a source, it seems like working for Elon would be the opposite of working for a bureaucracy.

Surely seems like such a smart guy, randomly turning off prod microservices and driving Twitter to the ground in record speed. Honestly, I can’t even imagine running that company worse than what he does right now.

I don’t understand how he has driven Twitter into the ground? It only feels even more active than before

Re: Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

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This is precisely the attitude that keeps us here. Crabs in a bucket. >Vested RSUs turn people into millionaires overnight. So do lottery tickets - your odds are about the same too >The benefit of the tech industry is that there's always a market for it and there are low barriers to entry. Programmers can vote with their feet. This isn't the 1950s. There are millions of choices for tech workers today that aren't stre…

My poor immigrant Indian grandparents became millionaires as did many of their siblings and friends. They certainly wouldn't have done so with socialism.

They wouldn’t have needed so.

Being a millionaire is only “powerful” if there are people in poverty. If poverty didn’t exist, then being a millionaire wasn’t actually going to be that big of an increase in life quality.

We should seek to cancel out rent seeking behavior. The thing I hate about our economy is the amount of momentum money gives others while actively holding others back. If our economy was truly based around your abilities it wouldn’t be so annoying.

However, we should also remember that not everyone can work, but everyone deserves a high quality life in line with our powerful economy.

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Geohot innovated removing iPhone sim lock (remember AT&T exclusivity>) at age 17, jailbroken PS3, and built an Autopilot-quality hardware by himself. He's now livecoding a ML library on Twitch. Lex Friedman is Lex Friedman. So no, those guys are smart dudes.

> So no, those guys are smart dudes. Von Braun was a very smart dude but he was making the Nazi salute and fawning over Hitler all the times. When he moved to the US he was fawning over Eisenhower all the times. Similarly this Friedman guy has 4 years worth of videos in which he fawns over Putin. Technical abilities and critical thinking in the social realm are 2 very different sets of competences. It's very rare to…

Yes and? They're still smart guys. To be honest I don't see why you anti-Musk crusaders bother so much, let people's accomplishments speak for themselves. Sure, go laugh at Musk's and other self-appointed Ubermen when they fail, but at least appreciate when they did accomplish stuffs. Better to fail a hundred times than not even try from the beginning.

Re: Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

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Surely seems like such a smart guy, randomly turning off prod microservices and driving Twitter to the ground in record speed. Honestly, I can’t even imagine running that company worse than what he does right now.

I don’t understand how he has driven Twitter into the ground? It only feels even more active than before

Plenty advertiser pulled out due to ultra right wingers, then due to this whole twitter badge controversy (which did at least result in many genuinely funny posts, r/realtwitteraccounts ). Also, one can only imagine the lost business knowledge of all the fired people that will soon creep up on the remaining team.

Re: Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

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How can you characterize Twitter's current modus operandi under Musk as anything but "let's just ship it, we'll fix it later"? They're on iteration 5 or 6 of the checkmarks within the last week.

I have no reliable information about the current modus operandi under Musk, nor about modus operandi of any of his companies. I just have a vague feeling derived from the random information about his companies and employees I've read over the years. It's very possible that it's just smoke and mirrors, but if I were given an offer, I'd at least try it for a while. If it's true, I gain a lot - if it's false, I gain a u…

Not disagreeing with your vague intuitions but just the point you made about shipping incomplete features and fixing them on the fly. You don't need reliable insider information to know that's what they're doing—you just need to download the Twitter app and watch the verified/official checks changing right in front of you.

Re: Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

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Yeah, and Gmail started as an April Fools prank, remember? You call it BS, I call it "no one is innovating as much as this fucking guy", go figure. EDIT: The guy is sending rockets to freaking space and has a fleet of satellites that provide intenet, are you not entertained??

Sending rockets to space from government subsidies that could have went to NASA.. Also, was that line of code written by you or the CEO of the company you have never seen?

Eh, NASA would have wasted the subsidies on pork anyway. There's a reason why Boeing's Starliner is in very huge conondrum right now, while SpaceX and the other NewSpace firms are progressing rapidly...

Re: Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

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> Elon's not someone who'll fire a person who is good at what they do. Insulting 3500 people at once, nice.

Insulting? It's true. It's not an insult. You're using mental gymnastics right now to make your point. 3500 people employed in a company that has no oversight of what they do, which is capable of getting huge investment and which wastes that money without any care in the world. It sounds like an awesome place for people who aren't really good at what they do. Recent letting go spree is a result of unproductive employ…

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