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Poll: Would You Work for Elon?

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Re: Poll: Would You Work for Elon?

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Post by phailhaus »

recuter wrote: post #92
phailhaus wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hahaha "startup" doesn't mean "CEO who publicly insults his own company and employees and pretends he knows better than them because he owns a different company." This is not "startup chaos", this is "narcissistic, toxic CEO" chaos. Elon's behavior is absolutely unacceptable coming from a leader. Source: I work at a demanding startup with a respectable CEO.

Dude, you wrote "chaotic management style". Now it is because you don't like the cut of his jib. Just say what bothers you directly. I get it, you really don't like Elon. Whereas I... truly sincerely don't care. Pay my rates you can call me every name in the book. Sticks and stones. Twitter employees have called him all manner of things, doesn't seem like your apprehensions flow both ways. This is some kindergarten l…

Those are the same thing. His management style involves publicly berating his employees over twitter, insulting his own company, and firing on a whim. Nah, I'll pass. There are so many better run companies out there, I'm here to work not babysit the CEO.

Re: Poll: Would You Work for Elon?

#102

Post by wombat-man »

rc_mob wrote: post #19

I would also never work for Amazon. Their recruiting has contacted me many times over the years. But not in a million year would I work for them.

I've concluded amazon is a dice roll. I know people who work there and it's a chill deal, and I've heard plenty of stories who bounce out before they get their initial vest. You just have to be ready to put in solid effort and know that you might end up with a bad situation.

Re: Poll: Would You Work for Elon?

#103

Post by bentt »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #69
bentt wrote: post #52

To be honest, I was a fan and explained away every offense he has made to date UNTIL he fired the Twitter Android app engineer publicly on Twitter. I felt that this engineer was engaging Elon about the problems at hand in a way that was admirable considering the circumstances. It was like the engineer knew he was falling on the sword, but at the same time was rational in his explanations of the current state of the a…

Elon publicly apologized that the android app was terrible, without naming anyone. Then this guy responded publicly calling out Elon. I don't know any CEO that would be cool with that. If Elon named him, sure, rip him apart. But Elon simply referenced the android app, and this guy took it personally in the worst way.

Elon should 100% be okay with one of his engineers responding to such a thing publicly if the engineer stays on topic and debates the points.

My interpretation of why he fired the guy was that Elon thought the app sucked and this guy had worked on it for 6 years. After a cursory grilling, he thought the guy's answers didn't hold water so he must be part of the problem. This is really bad form and doesn't account for the many externalities that the guy had faced. Most importantly, having the balls to call out the richest man in the world, who is also your boss, in a public form and STILL keep it on topic and professional shows that he has a good head on his shoulders. I really didn't think he was trying to score points or make it personal.

Re: Poll: Would You Work for Elon?

#104

Post by bentt »

wombat-man wrote: post #98
Workaccount2 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon publicly apologized that the android app was terrible, without naming anyone. Then this guy responded publicly calling out Elon. I don't know any CEO that would be cool with that. If Elon named him, sure, rip him apart. But Elon simply referenced the android app, and this guy took it personally in the worst way.

If it were me, I probably wouldn't have replied. I read later this was a Staff engineer working on optimizing the android app iirc. He was more blunt than I'd be comfortable with speaking to my CEO, but Elon seems to be someone who likes to get to the point so I was kind of surprised he reacted this way.

When your CEO is an engineer and wants to have an engineering conversation, you speak engineer together. The risk is that you lose. That's how Musk seems to have taken it, that the guy's answers didn't check out.

It bothered me quite a bit that he didn't give the engineer points for trying and keeping it on topic in the hellstorm of a thousand people shouting insults at Elon.

Re: Poll: Would You Work for Elon?

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Post by recuter »

phailhaus wrote: post #101
recuter wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude, you wrote "chaotic management style". Now it is because you don't like the cut of his jib. Just say what bothers you directly. I get it, you really don't like Elon. Whereas I... truly sincerely don't care. Pay my rates you can call me every name in the book. Sticks and stones. Twitter employees have called him all manner of things, doesn't seem like your apprehensions flow both ways. This is some kindergarten l…

Those are the same thing. His management style involves publicly berating his employees over twitter, insulting his own company, and firing on a whim. Nah, I'll pass. There are so many better run companies out there, I'm here to work not babysit the CEO.

Whom is babysitting whom? You're unlikely to ever meet the CEO, he is unlikely to know who you are.

> Nah, I'll pass. There are so many better run companies out there

Than Twitter? No kidding! Well, pass. Just say that. I still don't get why you care what he (or anyone) tweets, but hey, horses for courses.

Personally I have accepted chaos into my heart. It seems to follow no matter where I go. So long as the cheques clear mine is not to reason why.

Re: Poll: Would You Work for Elon?

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Post by wombat-man »

bentt wrote: post #104
wombat-man wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it were me, I probably wouldn't have replied. I read later this was a Staff engineer working on optimizing the android app iirc. He was more blunt than I'd be comfortable with speaking to my CEO, but Elon seems to be someone who likes to get to the point so I was kind of surprised he reacted this way.

When your CEO is an engineer and wants to have an engineering conversation, you speak engineer together. The risk is that you lose. That's how Musk seems to have taken it, that the guy's answers didn't check out. It bothered me quite a bit that he didn't give the engineer points for trying and keeping it on topic in the hellstorm of a thousand people shouting insults at Elon.

I think what I didn't like about it was Elon immediately turned it into this adversarial "what have you done to fix this" conversation. But I guess the guy did open with "this is wrong".

Re: Poll: Would You Work for Elon?

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Post by mcculley »

bentt wrote: post #52

To be honest, I was a fan and explained away every offense he has made to date UNTIL he fired the Twitter Android app engineer publicly on Twitter. I felt that this engineer was engaging Elon about the problems at hand in a way that was admirable considering the circumstances. It was like the engineer knew he was falling on the sword, but at the same time was rational in his explanations of the current state of the a…

You were okay with him calling a stranger a "pedo guy"?

Re: Poll: Would You Work for Elon?

#109

Post by jagged-chisel »

bheadmaster wrote: post #29

> Watching Elon gaslight current and former Twitter employees in the public square People are using "gaslight" in contexts where it doesn't apply way too much these days.

What you’re saying is:

> People keep using that word. I don’t think it means what they think it means.

And I agree.

Re: Poll: Would You Work for Elon?

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Post by sshine »

jagged-chisel wrote: post #109
bheadmaster wrote: post #29

> Watching Elon gaslight current and former Twitter employees in the public square People are using "gaslight" in contexts where it doesn't apply way too much these days.

What you’re saying is: > People keep using that word. I don’t think it means what they think it means. And I agree.

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