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Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

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Re: Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

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His management style is not the worst thing about the guy. If all the legends about him were true (superhuman BS detector, genius level IQ, laser sharp focus) I'd be happy to be part of the team. Unfortunately, I think his main talent is the uncanny ability to overhype himself. He is lucky that a side effect of this ability helped him hire and motivate really good engineers. Thay might not be sufficient in the long r…

Rocket stages that land and are reused is the opposite of vaporware.

> Rocket stages that land and are reused is the opposite of vaporware.

Just because it looks cool doesn't mean they provide quality of life. Saturn V rockets were way cooler and way bigger and sane people had to pull the plug because they were a money sinkhole.

As the global population becomes increasingly urbanised the whole demand for sat-internet will drop even more, as they'll all be using fiber or 5g. Then what? Sat-TV is already dead, what's left? How many GPS satellites are really needed?

The whole space race is something that caused a huge hole in US and USSR budgets without any ROI to show for, and will bankrupt Musk for sure. Maybe Bezos and Branson will avoid the same destiny, ironically thanks to their vices and passion for trophy assets such as private islands, yachts and football teams which at least hold their value, matter of fact they appreciate and produce revenues.

Re: Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

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> The disagreement here is Twitter is a shitshow under his leadership, and your words come across as you finding that interesting and place where you would like to be. One of the first things he did when he acquired Twitter is point out there are much more managers than engineers. He got rid of many of them. In my opinion, that's a sign of progress towards the more engineering-first environment, not regression.

Is that still your opinion after the past few days? His public behavior? Interesting that you and many others see this behavior as an admirable trait and not a regression.

With the amount of media attention on him ever since of Twitter acquisition, I expected the "space guy bad" vibe to be much worse. Also take into account that many of these stories might just as well be fabricated. Remember Ligma Johnson?

If you have any concrete examples, with reliable sources (not random Tweets from literal whos or yellow press), I'd love to know about these "horrible things" he's done. Sincere request - I'd love to hate on the guy, I hate billionaires in general, but in his case I just didn't have any real reason so far.

Re: Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

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> You don't know anything about this guy, his employment history, if was underperforming in the past, etc. I don't, but then given Elon has been CEO for all of 2 weeks—neither does he. > You are being manipulated. As are you.

Look at the HN new Tab. See all the negative press about Elon and Twitter. You think this is organic?

> See all the negative press about Elon and Twitter. You think this is organic?

Well, it certainly hasn't been going great. I have no idea if it's organic, but the tech press reporting bad news about an ongoing tire fire is expected. Why would you even need to manipulate the news, when the company itself is generating bad news at such a rapid clip?

Re: Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

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The rockets and the cars are real. -Tunnels are BS -Hyperloop is dumb BS -TeslaBot demos are embarassingly bad -Neuralink seems to be BS -Solar Tiles are BS -The PowerWall is semi-legit but overpriced -The roadster/semi/cybertruck are suspiciously late -A lot of the Mars plans are weak/delusional

Yeah, and Gmail started as an April Fools prank, remember? You call it BS, I call it "no one is innovating as much as this fucking guy", go figure. EDIT: The guy is sending rockets to freaking space and has a fleet of satellites that provide intenet, are you not entertained??

Sending rockets to space from government subsidies that could have went to NASA.. Also, was that line of code written by you or the CEO of the company you have never seen?

Re: Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

#197

His management style is not the worst thing about the guy. If all the legends about him were true (superhuman BS detector, genius level IQ, laser sharp focus) I'd be happy to be part of the team. Unfortunately, I think his main talent is the uncanny ability to overhype himself. He is lucky that a side effect of this ability helped him hire and motivate really good engineers. Thay might not be sufficient in the long r…

I was listening to Andrej Karpathy's interview on the Lex Friedman podcast. Karpathy said that Elon's superpower is "human engineering" and limiting "entropy" in large organizations. If you trust Karpathy as a source, it seems like working for Elon would be the opposite of working for a bureaucracy.

Surely seems like such a smart guy, randomly turning off prod microservices and driving Twitter to the ground in record speed.

Honestly, I can’t even imagine running that company worse than what he does right now.

Re: Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

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you can also talk with people who've worked there and are still there/left. Basically, you don't spend long at SpaceX if you find mudane things like a good WLB or enjoy being burnt out. The disagreement here is Twitter is a shitshow under his leadership, and your words come across as you finding that interesting and place where you would like to be.

> The disagreement here is Twitter is a shitshow under his leadership, and your words come across as you finding that interesting and place where you would like to be. One of the first things he did when he acquired Twitter is point out there are much more managers than engineers. He got rid of many of them. In my opinion, that's a sign of progress towards the more engineering-first environment, not regression.

And he kicked out a bunch of engineers as well based on LOC, then immediately tried to hire them back. Like come on, you can’t just go into another company and do massive changes immediately without understanding the whole thing. He is a narcissist man-child.

Re: Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

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> You don't know anything about this guy, his employment history, if was underperforming in the past, etc. I don't, but then given Elon has been CEO for all of 2 weeks—neither does he. > You are being manipulated. As are you.

Look at the HN new Tab. See all the negative press about Elon and Twitter. You think this is organic?

Yes. A lot of people are being affected by his poor choices and a lot of people are watching said outcomes play out. This means there will be a significant number of people writing about it.

Re: Ask HN: Would You Work for Elon?

#200

Not only should we not work for these people, we should actively take their power from them by organizing and supporting each other as much as possible. It's crazy to me that our profession fights unionization despite repeated, predictable and consistent anti-worker, antisocial, narcissistic, ego driven companies that grind us up and spit us out Giving someone unvested RSUs with no voting rights, in third class stock…

Because pay would be by seniority instead of by....skills?
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