All Indian students below the age of 13 have heard of Mohenjo-Daro. I don't remember what year's textbooks it was in for us but the author assertion that it is a place that "most people have never heard of" has almost a billion rebuttals.
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#22Am I the only one that when an article is about something I want to know more, I quickly drop it and go to Wikipedia instead?
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#23As an ancient civilization with an undeciphered script, Indus Valley Civ. is mired in controversy and claims Religion wise though article claims an Egyptian link which is new to me, it has some clear Hindu associations like the Pasupathinath seal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashupati_seal Script wise the contention and claim also comes from Tamil and Sanskrit. TED talk on this below https://youtu.be/kwYxHPXIaao
Pashupati is much, much older than modern concept of Hinduism. Many cultures around the time had a "Master of Animals" motif depicted l in their cultural artifact https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Animals You could call Rudra/Shiva as modern versions of that motif. But calling the figure in Pashupati seal as depecting a Hindu deity is probably not correct. IVC was pre-vedic after all. No doubt later cultures…
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#24All Indian students below the age of 13 have heard of Mohenjo-Daro. I don't remember what year's textbooks it was in for us but the author assertion that it is a place that "most people have never heard of" has almost a billion rebuttals.
Yeah, Indian history education literally starts at the Harappan civilization. It's not possible to not know about it.
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#25All Indian students below the age of 13 have heard of Mohenjo-Daro. I don't remember what year's textbooks it was in for us but the author assertion that it is a place that "most people have never heard of" has almost a billion rebuttals.
Need to add 3 billion more to that number to falsify the claim.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
The substance of the criticism is correct, but I would recommend that you point out the problem as one of incompetence in journalism rather than counterproductive insults about IQs. Initially, I thought that you were referring to this comment, which (correctly) said that the discoverer thought it was a Buddhist stupa. > It wasn't until 1922 that R D Banerji, an ASI officer, believed he saw a buried stupa, a mound-lik…
How is it Shiva if IVC predated Aryan migration?
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#28I find it interesting that the cities of the Indus Valley Civilization had sewage systems and most of the houses had toilets.
This knowledge seems to have gotten lost with the decline of their civilization. Some time the Indus Valley Civilization disappeared, some of their cities got reinhabited by other peoples, but they didn't use the sewage system and apparently didn't figure out what it was.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
> While ancient writings often reveal the secrets of civilisations, this has not been the case with Mohenjo-daro, whose inhabitants used what's known as the Indus Valley Script. "It was a pictographic language with more than 400 signs. It is still not decoded," said my guide Solangi. Unless a written record of its name can be found and deciphered, that name will probably endure.
The Article mentions it was on trade routes all over Central Asia. Its name must be mentioned in other languages in other ancient cities. Egypt, Mesopotamia, etc would have mentioned this place by name.
There are Mesopotamian records that refer to various parallel states. But it's not easy to prove that a particular name refers to a particular area.
(If I'm remembering correctly, we do suspect a particular group mentioned in Mesopotamian records of being Harappan. It's still impossible to prove; you'd want a lot more evidence than "we think it was these guys" before renaming the culture. There is also no particular reason to believe that the Sumerian word for Harappans was related to the Harappan word for themselves.)
EDIT: found it - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meluhha
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#30I got interested in Indus Valley Civilisation (IVC) while following a rabbit hole of trying to understand the population admixture of Indians. It is a truly fascinating civilisation. Here are some titbits that I found really interesting. At it peak it was a spread over a truly gigantic geographical space. However the city architectures followed nearly same blue print. Which points to the existence of some kind of cen…
Mr. Danino had written a wonderful book on this subject. Called "The Lost River". I suggest it as much as I can. I got interested in Indus Valley by reading this.