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Ask HN: What are your thoughts on students replacing their notebooks with iPads?

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Re: Ask HN: What are your thoughts on students replacing their notebooks with iPads?

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As a college senior myself, I think it's a bit of both. I think a lot of students buy iPads for the social appeal, and there's definitely something to be said about the impression that having a well-organized digital device gives that paper can't necessarily accomplish in things like interviews. That's not something that the STEM-brained among us care to admit, but fitting in socially can make or break your chances of advancement sometimes. I also see a lot of people cite genuine organizational advantages, which I can definitely understand. Being able to sort and access notes/assignments without having to scan them is a nice perk, as is being able to screenshot slides and record lectures (the ethics/efficacy of which are both up to your interpretation.) Color-coding is helpful to some people, as is being able to resize content on the page as needed. Then there's always the perk of having an internet-connected device on-hand for things like watching Zoom lectures, submitting assignments, etc. Being able to tackle all that on-the-go without relying entirely on your phone is nice.

There are occasionally some arguments put forth about environmentalism and saving the trees, but given the environmental costs of battery production, I really don't see it as a good reason.

As for my thoughts on the matter, I've honestly always thought that investing in a high-end iPad for college alone is (for me) a massive waste of money. My campus has plenty of computers available through their AD, so finding somewhere to get online is rarely an issue and is often easier than depending on our subpar mesh network. That's also how I access my textbooks, all of which are either online or (conveniently) located on my OneDrive. (Side note: I was also the idiot that didn't consider the combined weight of my gaming laptop and its massive charger when buying it at 18, so not having to carry it around campus on 95% of days does wonders for my back health.) Pen-and-paper has always worked fine for me, and the two little journals and pens that I carry around are plenty functional for my two in-person lectures. I have a huge problem with staying focused during lectures, so not having another device to yell at me or send me notifications in the middle of when I'm taking notes is a huge perk. If I really need to check an old set of slides or look something up, I have my phone for that. Finally, there's always the fact that not having another $1k+ device in my bag to break when I fall off of my skateboard, get stolen, etc. keeps a lot of pressure off of my day-to-day activities.

That being said, it really comes down to how the individual student uses it. If it's the main hub for all of your notes, assignments, meetings, calendar, etc. and that's all you need to get through the day, all the more to you. $1k over the course of a 120 credit degree is around $8.33 for every 3 credit class, so as long as it's providing that value, it's well worth it. I take issue with people suggesting that it can revolutionize your classroom experience because I find that with education the system that works best is the one you know. If I were to try to make the switch, I know it would end up being another source of distraction more than anything else. I may not be the norm though, and that's perfectly fine.

Re: Ask HN: What are your thoughts on students replacing their notebooks with iPads?

#22
Personally, I've used an Envy x360 as my laptop through my CS degree and with 1 more semester left, I can definitively say that having a touchscreen to take notes is much better than cheap pen and paper.

The biggest bonus is having my notes in the cloud. I can reference my notes on my phone, laptop, personal desktop, and on other people's computers. I don't need my backpack and notebooks with me to check on a theorem, pseudocode algorithm from class, or how to format that SQL query.

The second feature I use is being able to copy/paste and move notes around. If I run out of space (I like to keep my column width normalized), I can select an area of notes and move/resize, or transfer to an entirely different notebook. I can also copy text from a professor's slides or from a paper I'm researching, and then annotate that text in my notes.

If I was just taking notes for an english or history class, similarly to @_aavaa_, I don't think it would be as useful. Since I'm taking Math and CS courses with equations, graphs, system diagrams, and code I want to annotate, it's been very worth it. However, for short daily notes or scratch work, I do keep a (paper) notebook in my backpack as there's no bootup time or login to scratch out some ideas.

Re: Ask HN: What are your thoughts on students replacing their notebooks with iPads?

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In the title it's iPad vs laptop, but in the text it's iPad vs pen and paper. That gets me lost. When it comes to iPad replacing laptop. I don't think it's a good thing. iPad is a consumer of information (playing apps, watching videos). In contrast, laptop is more of a producer (developing apps, writing, reading but not lying around). iPad replacing laptop means that students are shifting more towards consumption rat…

I'm almost certain that more art has been created on iPads than on all laptops combined. Procreate drawings alone might have done it.

I'm even more certain that Procreate was developed by somebody with a laptop.

Re: Ask HN: What are your thoughts on students replacing their notebooks with iPads?

#24
Drawing and typing significantly improved my grades. No sense of peer pressure. During university, half the time I used a Surface Pro 2, half the time I used a bluetooth keyboard connected to my Android phone.

My studying workflow was based on digitized notes, so it saved time. I didn't need to worry about running out of space on the page and didn't need to worry about losing notes. It also provided timestamping for free.

Re: Ask HN: What are your thoughts on students replacing their notebooks with iPads?

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I have a kid in 8th grade. The school issued iPads and all work is done and submitted on them. Internet hotspots are issued to kids who have no internet at home. My opinion is that the are a slightly net-negative for learning, given the time she takes fiddling with the various apps to get them to do what she needs them to do. I suspect that they greatly simplify grading (and thus the teacher's job), and are thus here…

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Re: Ask HN: What are your thoughts on students replacing their notebooks with iPads?

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In my last few years at high school, our district replaced a 1:1 laptop policy with a 1:1 iPad policy. The results were mixed. For my creative electives like photography it was pretty handy, but the lack of keyboard made it a slog to use in writing classes. Then there were the engineering classes... for my Javascript and CAD electives the iPads were entirely useless, and the most it did in math class was run the Desm…

Amazing that high schoolers are casually learning CAD and JavaScript!

I learned both in the late 90s. AutoCAD and think JavaScript, might have only been CSS. They were elective courses but still.

Re: Ask HN: What are your thoughts on students replacing their notebooks with iPads?

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Having worked in a school in IT in my early career (10 years ago), where students were given laptops to use in the classroom, they are very useful. To be honest, I am quite surprised this question is still being asked in 2022.

The world of learning is moving online, textbooks are being provided electronically, assignments are being submitted electronically, grades are provided electronically and even some learning tools used in the classroom are online. Heck there are schools that have been providing laptops for students for the last decade.

I'd ask the question back to you, if you had to move back to pen and paper would it inhibit your ability to do your job? If so, then I think you know the answer.

Re: Ask HN: What are your thoughts on students replacing their notebooks with iPads?

#28

It doesn't help at all. It's a gimmick and it used(maybe still is) to look cool when you sit with a tablet and look like you are learning something. In any decent class, you'd have hard time following the pace the professor sets, so quickly writing on paper is much better.

Unless you know and are practised at shorthand, most people type much much faster than they write by longhand --- even a fairly slow typist can do about 30-40 wpm vs writing is something like 30-40 characters per minute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Words_per_minute

I still personally prefer using a fountain pen, but I am maybe writing a few words as a mnemonic device.

Re: Ask HN: What are your thoughts on students replacing their notebooks with iPads?

#29
> expensive iPads - cheap pen and paper - all this money - group pressure and a desire to fit in

The entire premise of your post is about your values and boils down to money well back in my day we spent all our money on booze and weed.

Are you jealous that kidz these days have nice things?

Re: Ask HN: What are your thoughts on students replacing their notebooks with iPads?

#30

Having worked in a school in IT in my early career (10 years ago), where students were given laptops to use in the classroom, they are very useful. To be honest, I am quite surprised this question is still being asked in 2022. The world of learning is moving online, textbooks are being provided electronically, assignments are being submitted electronically, grades are provided electronically and even some learning to…

This doesn’t really answer the question. Sure, the whole world could be moving online but just because it is doesn’t mean that what makes learning effective is fundamentally changing, too.
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