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Ask HN: Hourly billers, do you bill for only focused work?

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Re: Ask HN: Hourly billers, do you bill for only focused work?

#21
My contracts are usually to design and develop new product for client. It is rather longer term involvement and I just bill them for 8 hours per day disregarding on what happens on any particular day. Clients know about it and it is agreed upon. If they are not happy about my work which luckily had never happened they're free to show me the door.

Every once in a while I also do short term contracts with very limited scope. For those I would just do a lump sum payable in stages or just initial deposit and then pay balance at the end.

Re: Ask HN: Hourly billers, do you bill for only focused work?

#23
I see by the comments that a lot of intelligent people do not understand billing ethics.

There are many layers of relationship, and your relationship will truly define the nuances of your billing process.

However regarding your question, there are a few considerations which determine when you are being “flexible” and when billing becomes corrupt (if you are not objectively providing value you are stealing.)

Are you in the office? On call? Devoting exclusive attention? Or otherwise billing for full days (with hours as increments?) If you’re in the office or real time “available” then it’s a billable hour even if you check HN or eat at your desk or wander around wondering what everyone else is up to (some call it insight.)

If you’re really billing hourly and your not working, you shouldn’t bill for those hours you are not working (like playing hooky.)

Fifteen minute increments are the floor for technical work (more common once you’re over $100/hr)

It’s okay to round up (or down) one total hour if you do not want to split hairs on an invoice (sic. 45 minutes of hand holding.) put a foot note on the invoice (total hours round up) if you want to be transparent.

You should be billing for all one off tasks. Talking about the project. Doodling about the project in your notes. Fastidiously rolling up and double checking your work/time spent. Email. Chat. Learning something new that evaluates into what you are doing can often be included (if not abused.)

I usually budget in 25% of project hours for one off tasks.

If you have a full time relationship (40 actual hours), you should fill the time with something, even if doodling in your journal about observations.

Hourly is a great way to build if your a “lone ranger” contractor.

Usually I like to only bill 15 hours a week! True liberation.

You shouldn’t lower your rate (unless you must.) Work fewer hours! That’s the real dream. Independent and gainful.

Re: Ask HN: Hourly billers, do you bill for only focused work?

#24
This is a question I’ve struggled with a lot myself. From my 15 years of experience as a contractor:

1. Never lower your rate, bringing it back up will be way harder then you might think.

2. Breaks etc. are billable. I even bill for walks that may be a long an hour, as long as I think about work. If I stop doing that I stop the clock too. Like others said, code is just the end result. I will usually produce better if I take a breather. Thinking things through will almost always let you find ways to write less code, resulting in a more stable and maintainable solution. Nothing suggests you think better while seated infront of your screen.

3. Always round up to the next hour.

Re: Ask HN: Hourly billers, do you bill for only focused work?

#28
I am required to bill in 15 minute increments for public sector work and 1 hour increments for private sector work. I don't bill for time I am actively concertedly doing something else. But if I am so much as reading a research paper that touches tangentially on their work, I bill them for that.

When my client roster is heavy, I bill about 32-36 hours a week. The other 4-8 hours is mentor, team building, personal development, networking, etc.

I only bill 40 hours when I'm overbooked or I have a big dedicated project and I can drop a lot of the other activities because I don't need to be branching out and maintaining awareness so much of various projects.

I have colleagues who bill 40 hours almost every week. I believe most of these people are being honest and they're working nmore hours and pushing their non-project work into their personal lives/time. I'm pretty strict about containing my work schedule so I bill less. It has never been a problem at my work.

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