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Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by capableweb »

pimeys wrote: post #29

You might want to check the new ThinkPad Z13 and Z16 models with latest Ryzen CPU. You get similar performance and battery life as you'd expect from an M1. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-Z13-laptop-rev... No need to change the CPU architecture.

Thanks a lot, not just for the recommendation of the new ThinkPad models, but for the link to that website. I had no idea about it and it seems to be very extensive in their reviews, which I love.

It'll get a lot easier to find a good alternative now! Thanks a lot!

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by lotsofpulp »

dvdkon wrote: post #46
lotsofpulp wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have always been curious why I have been seeing people with MacBooks close their lids and walk away at a moment’s notice for nearly 20 years, but I still do not expect to be able to do that from any non Macbook. Such a killer feature that one would think Microsoft would prioritize.

It used to work, S3 suspend is a problem-free experience on both Linux and Windows . But some genius thought that laptop hardware needed power management more like a phone without all the software being built for it, with no fallback.

In my Windows experience since 2000, closing the lid to sleep did not work on Toshiba Satellite, HP NW8000 series business machines, HP Elitebook, Dell Precision, and still does not work on Dell Latitudes. And I believe those were all business grade laptops, except the Toshiba Satellite.

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by notpushkin »

viraptor wrote: post #30
notpushkin wrote: post #10

No GPU means it gets pretty hot sometimes (don't even try watching videos, I've literally burned myself :'). Otherwise I'd say I could use it as a daily driver: a bit clunky, needs some tinkering, but everything I personally need (VSCodium, Firefox, Docker, wifi, audio in the headphones) already works and works well. If you already have a MacBook you could use, just give it a try – you can dual-boot, so if it doesn't…

FTR, GPU support is very close now and if you really want to you can try it yourself. Basic OpenGL and all desktops should work. ( https://vt.social/@lina/109346469312488886 ) but yeah - definitely not working ootb yet.

I'll give it a try sometime then, thanks for pointing out!

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by School-Cotton »

yewenjie wrote: post #9

Related question: does anybody exclusively use any Linux distro on MacBooks in a VM? What is the tradeoff and how is your experience? I want the MacBooks for the battery backup, but I cannot live without NixOS, and seems like Asahi is still a few months away.

I used to do this and there are a few annoyances, and the set of annoyances is different for every VM software you choose. My preference was VMWare Fusion. The worst annoyance there was that it emulated touchpad scrolling as a mouse wheel, so you didn’t get pixel-precise scrolling but instead jumped several lines after you had moved your fingers some significant amount.

Overall it all worked fine, and far more reliably than Linux on a modern laptop running natively (if you can get past the minor annoyances).

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by csdvrx »

pimeys wrote: post #29

You might want to check the new ThinkPad Z13 and Z16 models with latest Ryzen CPU. You get similar performance and battery life as you'd expect from an M1. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-Z13-laptop-rev... No need to change the CPU architecture.

> No need to change the CPU architecture.

But you need to relearn the keyboard as it's not a standard ThinkPad keyboard (no PageUp and PageDown above Left and Right)

That detail alone means I won't buy it.

Emulation or recompilation has fewer drawbacks than changing habits.

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by bestouff »

csdvrx wrote: post #56
pimeys wrote: post #29

You might want to check the new ThinkPad Z13 and Z16 models with latest Ryzen CPU. You get similar performance and battery life as you'd expect from an M1. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-Z13-laptop-rev... No need to change the CPU architecture.

> No need to change the CPU architecture. But you need to relearn the keyboard as it's not a standard ThinkPad keyboard (no PageUp and PageDown above Left and Right) That detail alone means I won't buy it. Emulation or recompilation has fewer drawbacks than changing habits.

You didn't see a Mac keyboard then.

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by capableweb »

bestouff wrote: post #57
csdvrx wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No need to change the CPU architecture. But you need to relearn the keyboard as it's not a standard ThinkPad keyboard (no PageUp and PageDown above Left and Right) That detail alone means I won't buy it. Emulation or recompilation has fewer drawbacks than changing habits.

You didn't see a Mac keyboard then.

> standard ThinkPad keyboard

They're talking about how ThinkPad keyboards have looked and worked since forever. Seems it changed recently.

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by osigurdson »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #39
mh7 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well not even Windows can manage to sleep a 'modern standby' laptop reliably these days. I had to set hibernate on lid-close because Windows kept waking it up all the time even while closed.

I have always been curious why I have been seeing people with MacBooks close their lids and walk away at a moment’s notice for nearly 20 years, but I still do not expect to be able to do that from any non Macbook. Such a killer feature that one would think Microsoft would prioritize.

Microsoft has traditionally believed in abstractions (i.e. interfaces) while Apple believe in concrete implementations. Abstractions are flexible but always leak and therein lies the problems.

I think the interface approach made sense I earlier days of computing. These days it is better to make a zillion, exactly the same computer like Apple does.

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Post by barbariangrunge »

allisdust wrote: post #21
osigurdson wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> the laptop doesn't sleep when closed Linux is amazing but doing the right thing when you close the lid is a seemingly intractable problem for it. Maybe we need a hardware spec and a paid distro to finally solve these kinds of problems.

Dell XPS is the only laptop where I have seen this working reliably. Worst part is that thanks to zram, many distros removed hibernate functionality. So its not possible now to either sleep or hibernate on many laptop/distro combinations. This makes Linux unusable in most cases due to battery drain (and some times even dangerous as laptop gets super hot inside bag etc).

My xps never hibernated properly and the battery started to swell, which messed up my touchpad
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