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Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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>> the laptop doesn't sleep when closed Linux is amazing but doing the right thing when you close the lid is a seemingly intractable problem for it. Maybe we need a hardware spec and a paid distro to finally solve these kinds of problems.

Dell XPS is the only laptop where I have seen this working reliably. Worst part is that thanks to zram, many distros removed hibernate functionality. So its not possible now to either sleep or hibernate on many laptop/distro combinations. This makes Linux unusable in most cases due to battery drain (and some times even dangerous as laptop gets super hot inside bag etc).

I can't speak for S4/suspend to disk level hibernation, but regular S3/sleep when I close the lid has worked perfectly for me since 2008.

That isn't to say that it's worked out of the box. When I install Linux on a laptop, I'll put some effort into making sure everything works as wanted and this might involve adding kernel flags or mucking with dbus, and it certainly involves some research. If you expect any open source OS to behave like a proprietary OS you bought a license for, you're likely to be disappointed. If you come in with the expectation of learning to solve problems for yourself you'll fare much better.

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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Related question: does anybody exclusively use any Linux distro on MacBooks in a VM? What is the tradeoff and how is your experience? I want the MacBooks for the battery backup, but I cannot live without NixOS, and seems like Asahi is still a few months away.

You could install NixOS on your Mac. I've installed Debian, some use Fedora; you just use the Asahi installer to repartition and install the kernel, and after that you can isntall your distro of choice (not super easy though).

I don't want to use Asahi until the experience is seamless - so VM seems to be the only option.

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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post #29

You might want to check the new ThinkPad Z13 and Z16 models with latest Ryzen CPU. You get similar performance and battery life as you'd expect from an M1. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-Z13-laptop-rev... No need to change the CPU architecture.

Looks indeed interesting. But compared to e.g. MacBook Air it can get very loud :)

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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post #41

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Dell XPS is the only laptop where I have seen this working reliably. Worst part is that thanks to zram, many distros removed hibernate functionality. So its not possible now to either sleep or hibernate on many laptop/distro combinations. This makes Linux unusable in most cases due to battery drain (and some times even dangerous as laptop gets super hot inside bag etc).

I can't speak for S4/suspend to disk level hibernation, but regular S3/sleep when I close the lid has worked perfectly for me since 2008. That isn't to say that it's worked out of the box. When I install Linux on a laptop, I'll put some effort into making sure everything works as wanted and this might involve adding kernel flags or mucking with dbus, and it certainly involves some research. If you expect any open sou…

Unfortunately s3 has been removed from everything after tiger lake in intel chips, replaced with s0ix, which has caused a bunch of problems. For example, https://old.reddit.com/r/System76/comments/k7xrtz/ill_have_w...

Sleep works fine in my alder lake(12th gen) Framework on Fedora, as in it actually sleeps when you close the lid, but it won't last a week like a mac.

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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In my opinion, not ready enough, but usable. Speakers are still not safe to use, no use of security components, no Touch-ID, no GPU support, no mics and many more[1]. Though its still very impressive what they got so far, and hope in the near future it will become a full functioning OS. [1] https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Feature-Support

there's a gpu support. We all have watched how it was built on youtube by a Japanese anime character.

Its still in development. Theres a working patch but not yet merged to Asahi.

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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post #36

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Well not even Windows can manage to sleep a 'modern standby' laptop reliably these days. I had to set hibernate on lid-close because Windows kept waking it up all the time even while closed.

I have always been curious why I have been seeing people with MacBooks close their lids and walk away at a moment’s notice for nearly 20 years, but I still do not expect to be able to do that from any non Macbook. Such a killer feature that one would think Microsoft would prioritize.

It used to work, S3 suspend is a problem-free experience on both Linux and Windows . But some genius thought that laptop hardware needed power management more like a phone without all the software being built for it, with no fallback.

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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> I've literally burned myself / That can't be good for the longevity of the device.... or of you for that matter

It sure can't, which is why I'm not doing it anymore :-) For typical development setup (+ some music not from YouTube) it stays gently warm though (while macOS is stone-cold).

FWIW you can use mpv to play just the audio from any site supported by youtube-dl or yt-dlp (so youtube/twitch/a hundred other platforms):

  $ mpv --no-video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxxxxxxx
or maybe even something like this:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Mpv#youtube-dl_audio_with_s...

I've been using a variation on this theme for years, don't even really know how YouTube looks these days

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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post #36

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>> the laptop doesn't sleep when closed Linux is amazing but doing the right thing when you close the lid is a seemingly intractable problem for it. Maybe we need a hardware spec and a paid distro to finally solve these kinds of problems.

Well not even Windows can manage to sleep a 'modern standby' laptop reliably these days. I had to set hibernate on lid-close because Windows kept waking it up all the time even while closed.

Modern standby is an absolute disaster. It is shameful that the industry adopted and pushes this now.

Re: Ask HN: How ready for daily driving is Asahi Linux?

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post #32

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I've recently started a trial of NixOS on a Framework laptop. It's definitely not ready for a normal person, that's true. I'm working in text files to configure things, and had to debug the GUI not starting after my initial install. That said, I was pleasantly surprised how much the basic Gnome desktop just got right after initial setup. My Bluetooth earbuds were plug-and-play, and watching Netflix in Firefox just re…

Does the fingerprint reader work out of the box?

It did, surprisingly.

I enabled fprintd in my configuration.nix and bam - it showed up in the Gnome settings and I scanned a finger a few times.

Now I can sudo without having to think about it (which, granted, might defeat some of sudo's point...).

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