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Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

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Pardon for living under a rock, but why are crypto exchanges affected by the mood in the crypto market? I thought that a crypto exchange functions like a currency market: I put an offer to sell 10,000 EUR for 1 BTC and someone else puts an offer to buy 10,000 EUR for 1 BTC. When orders cross, a transaction happens and the exchange gets a fee, whether in currency or crypto units. What are crypto exchanges fundamentall…

You have to look at the business model of the exchange. They way you describe it is how it SHOULD work. The exchange makes money directly from you through transaction fees or just account fees. They would not need to "invest" your crypto in anything, because they have other ways to make money. This is (I think) the way Binance and Coinbase operate. But a lot of these exchanges have attracted customers by offering int…

Minimum 4% interest here:

Each coin offers anywhere from 4% annual percentage yield (APY) to 20% APY. There are also limited-time-only offers, which can go as high as 60% APY.

https://www.aax.com/en-US/invest/savings/

Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

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I’ve gotten some flak from dang as well ;) happens sometimes I think we are describing fundamentally different economies. GitHub Sponsors is optional. I’m talking about a way to have mandatory payments in open-source, with fully transparent automatic payment mechanisms to all contributors. And before you say well how, MakerDAO is kind of already working like this (I’d have to look into it more but that’s my impressio…

There is a lot going on here, but I'll just say I don't see any benefit in reality: 1. "It’s open source but when you buy it you get an NFT that lets you run the software." You seem to fundamentally misunderstand what open source software is. If you need to buy some sort of NFT to run your software, it's not open source, and this goes against pretty much every definition of open source I've ever seen. You're free to…

I agree with you. Of course you could have a GitHub Sponsors that would work fundamentally similar to a DAO. Then the question is - why do you think it doesn’t?

Data immutability and decentralisation helps this use case from my point of view for a very simple reason - because if you’re a developer it means no one can in the future just remove you from the list of people who will get money for contributing code in the past, and that users/community can determine to approve your contributions to the repo instead of some centralise core team, who may or may not decide to let you reap the rewards of the repo.

If your code is being used, you get paid period. The community gets to vote on who gets paid for what, certainly, and you can easily prioritise features in the roadmap by just letting people place their tokens/rewards on certain features and let developers figure it out.

Maybe the NFT idea is pretty silly. Actually what I should have said is - MakerDAO already built this and I can see it being applied to other pieces of software. The system works, so far. Users get tokens, they use those tokens to reward developers for their work, they can ask developers to prioritise a feature by pooling their tokens as a reward, any developer, core team or not, who solves that feature gets paid, and any significant contribution as determined by the community gets to reap protocol rewards for a while.

Look at the synergy you can have between the users and developers, and look how it’s all being done in a fully decentralised and permission less way. Anyone can contribute, users pay for features, and everyone reaps protocol rewards for as long as its used. Could GitHub sponsors do that? Maybe. But a DAO might actually be a better way just because it’s trust less.

Now I agree with you it’s Rube Goldberg-y. The thing is blockchain solves trust issues, not tech issues. A DAO with reasonable rules sounds inefficient, but it’s more capable and adaptable than any centralised solution.

I’m not sure why it’s so hard to understand. Basically you are building an open source piece of software where people get paid to contribute, irrelevant of their background, location or previous history. Users get to be in control and developers get to be paid to make open source software. MakerDAO already does this. Again - is this something Sponsors can do? And if it is, then why doesn’t it?

Isn’t the idea that any developer can make a commit to any piece of open source software and get paid for it, not only once but recurrently, far more interesting than our current system of “work for company get paid”? Isn’t it phenomenally more interesting if one could live their life looking around for interesting things to do, fix them, and get rewarded for it?

Let’s imagine two futures and an app that’s just been bought - Figma. Figma is a cool app that people worked on, did a good job and the owners (repo owners essentially) sold to Adobe. The whole software is closed source, the developers got paid per time worked, and only 2/3 people made the decision to sell the repo to Adobe. Lots of devs there might not want to work for Adobe, but did they have a choice? The repo has been acquired and them with it.

Now let’s imagine FigmaDAO. Same piece of software but it’s open source and run by a DAO. One day you get really interested in image manipulation and rendering. You look into the FigmaDAO feature request/reward roadmap and you choose to implement a much needed feature. The community votes to include your work, and you get paid the reward. They also decide that your feature addition is so important that it will earn you 1% of protocol revenue for 10 years. You are now part time benefiting from FigmaDAO. Suddenly you realise there’s another DAO, GimpDAO where you could use your newly acquired skills to build another much needed feature. You move into that community, deliver the feature and… rinse repeat.

On one of these futures, we carry one as we are and companies keep building piles of closed source software. On the other one, developers become free agents who get to contribute to any piece of software at will and get rewarded for it, without having to go through bothersome tech interviews and just building (permissionless), their contributions are recorded in an immutable ledger that no one person in particular can edit (trustless) and they get paid automatically whenever their contributions are used (programmable money).

Which one of these futures sounds more exciting ?

Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

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Basic common sense, not your keys not your coins.

Most societies generally recognize that a person's ownership extends past the objects in his immediate use/possession. You don't give up ownership of your car, just because you parked it on the street unattended, just like I don't become the owner of it if I steal your keys.

And yet, when you give away your keys you can loose it.

Look what happened with all those planes that were leased to Russia.

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> An exchange shouldn't count deposited crypto as their asset. It is an asset of their customer. But banks do, multiple times. (one dolar produces n dollars in loans). A test with Bank run can confirm it.

Exchanges aren't banks.

Correct, exchanges won't be saved by government.

Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

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Your "own wallet" is just a piece of software, so it could potentially steal your "coins" could it not?

Hardware wallets, which are recommended for holding significant amounts of cryptocurrency, are designed so that even if your normal computing devices get hacked or trojaned, the software running on them cannot steal the coins. This is because the private keys are securely stored in the hardware wallet, which never reveals them to the outside world. The user has to physically confirm a transfer on the hardware wallet…

> The user has to physically confirm a transfer on the hardware wallet

And once the user has confirmed the transfer, the software could send the coins to a different address, right?

Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

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In the current climate, I'm left wondering who still has their crypto on exchanges. Which maybe thats the problem - people withdrawing funds causing even more bank runs.

I have something like 600 stuck in blockfi (original 1k - market value since then).

I had almost totally forgot about it until someone posted something on reddit, and they sent an email, and now I can't get the money out. I believe it's 50% 'stablecoin' 50% btc.

I do not follow crypto and think the proselytizers are a bit crazy.

In my mind I wanted a small amount of crypto exposure.

But post this stupidness, 5-6% or whatever interest does not correlate with what the actual risk seemed to be in my mind.

well rated corporate bonds are approaching that now. I was just googling examples I think big name corporates are sitting like 5.3%

so in my mind 5-6% was not a big bright ponzi warning sign, especially since they stopped taking new deposits to 'go legit.'

Like afaik there are big brand name corps that are b level rated that have coupons that or higher.

and would be shocking if they all went bust in the same week.

The risk -> return % seems like the yield should have been bigger

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/HQMCB6YR

Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

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The flaw of BTC: everyone wants to cash out in dollars, euros or Swiss francs. Real money BTC is barely used as an actual currency to buy things with. I could be wrong but I thought the idea was that you'd be using BTC in daily life so that you wouldn't need to go "off the ramp".

I wouldn't say that's a flaw. There are people, even today, who have no better choice but to use BTC for transactions or for storing value. The point is that if you want to (or need to), you can do it. So people now have that option, which they didn't have before BTC was created. As an example, it might be the best option for doing transactions and storing value for large amounts of people in some area, in times of c…

> storing value for large amounts of people in some area, in times of crisis (e.g. financial crisis, war, oppressive governments, etc).

> Bitcoin is available and can be used whenever such events happen.

Except the fact that bitcoin needs continuous internet access and electricity. The first can be blocked by oppressive government. The second can be hard to come by in times of war.

Bitcoin is a first-world solution to imaginary problems.

Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

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Forgive my ignorance but it seems that one major problem with crypto-exchanges is that they don't necessarily have any assets other than the crypto that has been deposited there, which means all overheads (which I am assuming for some of these guys is $Ms/year) can only come from trading crypto unless they are charging reasonable money for the privilege of using their exchanges. In the FIAT world, banks make tonnes o…

An exchange shouldn't count deposited crypto as their asset. It is an asset of their customer. I do not think the actual problem here is crypto exchanges being unprofitable. Even if a crypto exchange goes under, it could (and frankly should ) still be able to go under gracefully, e.g. letting all customers withdraw their assets for a month (and E-Mailing private keys as a last resort). The issue here is crypto exchan…

In fact, banks count assets of their clients as liabilities because it is in fact money in their possession (read: control) that they owe to their clients.

Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

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The thing that you are missing is that crypto transactions are slow and expensive. When I say slow I mean hours to complete a single transaction. That's why people keep their money on the exchange, it's far more efficient and usable. Of course it's also risky because exchanges do rug pulls all the time. Knowing when to pull your crypto and bail is a trick. If you're seeing news articles about "minor irregularities" a…

Name one Crypto chain that takes hours to confirm a transaction. Bitcoin has a blocktime of 10 minutes and Ethereum is 10 to 20 seconds. More modern networks process transactions in orders of magnitude less time, eg. Solana has a slot time of 0.5 seconds and time to finality being 1 or 2 seconds.

> Solana has a slot time of 0.5 seconds and time to finality being 1 or 2 seconds.

When it's not down. Which seems to happen once a month these days.

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