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Re: He’s Fired

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Post by bamboozled »

blooalien wrote: post #43
bamboozled wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about that, it's that you have to think and put a lot of mental energy into "being respectful" rather than just being straight forwards and direct. You have to wait for the right time etc. Giving feedback has higher risk and cost to it than it would otherwise be so why even do it? While I'm not claiming it's an immediate crisis, I think it is and will continue to become a net long term loss for corporate Ame…

Funny that Musk was touting "free speech" as one of his reasons for wanting to buy Twitter in the first place, innit?

Very clear at this stage that had nothing to do with his real intentions.

Re: He’s Fired

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Post by superchroma »

sidibe wrote: post #58
quantified wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It probably is one to his peer group.

As long as he gets the wave of approvers oohing and aahing at each of his tweets, he doesn't care about anything or anyone else. Where have I seen this behavior before? Certain egomaniacs really get addicted to their Twitter fanboys.

Let's not pretend there's that much overlap between trump fans and musk fans.

Re: He’s Fired

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Post by hintymad »

mathlover2 wrote: post #2

On a scale of 0 (hiring at Twitter is as easy as possible) to 100 (Twitter can never hire anyone again) how bad is it now that Musk fired an employee in front of millions of users, especially since the employee was calling out obvious bullshit?

Here might be another reason for not working for Musk: he asked an executive of his, Jerome Guillen, to "forfeit some unvested equity" because he thought that "some employees were making more from Tesla than he thought their contributions merited", per WSJ. I assume that Guillen was going to get the unvested equity if Musk didn't ask, otherwise it wouldn't be an issue at all.

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Post by mmcnl »

NickC25 wrote: post #51
la64710 wrote: post #50

While this all maybe entertaining to some people , it all just seems highly unprofessional. Right things can be done in a professional and respectful way , not make it all a big show unless they are desperate ways for the company to attract eyeballs and money.

A brand new (non-technical) CEO using misinformation to call out his dev team in public is also highly unprofessional, especially when they've tried to raise the same issue to management previously (apparently). I've seen the entire thread the fired gentleman in question wrote, and I don't see anything wrong with it, besides calling BS on the world's second biggest man-baby. > not make it all a big show unless they a…

Yes it is unprofessional but that CEO happens to own Twitter, so there's that. The developer is trying to armwrestle his boss in public. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Re: He’s Fired

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Post by midislack »

sreevisakh wrote: post #55
midislack wrote: post #48

Quoted post unavailable.

These sorts of incidents would be far more common if bosses shit talked their employees in the public and tanked their brand image in the process in front of their users and future employees. Fortunately, almost everyone else is smart enough to know that it's bad.

Sir, he was shit talking the app (which everybody agrees blows ass) and the dev took to Twitter to whining instead of using the internal platform. Next time your boss admits your product is trash, try shit talking a rebuttal to him on Twitter, I dare you. Elon is his father.

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Post by randy909 »

bamboozled wrote: post #31
missingcolours wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah. Everywhere I've ever worked, you can tell any boss things they don't want to hear. What you have to do is do it respectfully . I've told directors and VPs multiple levels up from me that I thought they were wrong about something in large meetings. I said it to their face and respectfully, and that was fine. As long as you understand your place and don't publicly trash your boss, there's normally no problem. The…

It's not about that, it's that you have to think and put a lot of mental energy into "being respectful" rather than just being straight forwards and direct. You have to wait for the right time etc. Giving feedback has higher risk and cost to it than it would otherwise be so why even do it? While I'm not claiming it's an immediate crisis, I think it is and will continue to become a net long term loss for corporate Ame…

Being respectful and just being straight forward and direct are the same thing as long as you're not being an asshole while being straight forward and direct.

I do agree that it can take extra mental energy to translate "this idea is stupid" to "the downside of this approach is..." if you are prone to thinking in a harsh, cynical voice (I'm guilty of it). That is energy well spent.

Re: He’s Fired

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Post by fuckHNtho »

bmitc wrote: post #34
fuckHNtho wrote: post #21

oh come on though, eric was playing for a severance package. If you're going to call out a sensitive ego in public, bring the facts up front.

He and several others apparently did bring facts. Those tweets aren't available now it seems.

Ah I should have been more specific. He said ~"youre wrong", then some hours later, after Musk had prompted him for a real argument, he made an attempt at a constructive response. By "up front", I mean on tweet 1.

His argument wasn't even that great (because there is no good argument, and that's why one wouldn't take the bait if they actually like their job), and by then I'm afraid the axe had already been sharpened.

Re: He’s Fired

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Post by bmitc »

leereeves wrote: post #56
bmitc wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He and several others apparently did bring facts. Those tweets aren't available now it seems.

Those tweets are still available: https://twitter.com/EricFrohnhoefer/status/15919683432293662...

As far as I can tell, they are only available if you have the direct link. They don’t show up in the thread or on his profile.

Re: He’s Fired

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Post by kevinmchugh »

bmitc wrote: post #30
atdrummond wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose Elon misunderstood what “build in public” meant.

And free speech and everything else he touts. Yet again, it's an example of: don't tell Musk he is wrong, especially in public. Musk has also, presumably, removed the conversation shown here from Twitter: https://twitter.com/ichdertom/status/1592217628214722560/pho...

What's the order of events here? Between "I can say this is wrong", this "what have you done?" exchange, and "he's fired"?

Re: He’s Fired

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Post by acdha »

mmcnl wrote: post #64
NickC25 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A brand new (non-technical) CEO using misinformation to call out his dev team in public is also highly unprofessional, especially when they've tried to raise the same issue to management previously (apparently). I've seen the entire thread the fired gentleman in question wrote, and I don't see anything wrong with it, besides calling BS on the world's second biggest man-baby. > not make it all a big show unless they a…

Yes it is unprofessional but that CEO happens to own Twitter, so there's that. The developer is trying to armwrestle his boss in public. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Based on his timeline I think he was ready to leave anyway. I’d bet that he’ll have a new job long before Musk can find someone equally skilled willing to put up with him - fanboys are unlikely to be as good at coding as they are kissing up.
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