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Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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For those interested in a modern(ish) take on Be, Haiku may be interesting: https://www.haiku-os.org/ E: Posted this before having time to read the article, glad to see it was mentioned!

> With everything surrounding the demise of Be being highly litigious, it is no surprise that the project wished to avoid legal complications over their name. They chose Haiku. > Why did they choose the name Haiku? Error messages from many applications in BeOS are written in haikus. Additionally, they felt that the art of haiku was representative of the elegance and simplicity of BeOS. It seems Haiku is BeOS, just re…

It's a rewrite:

> an open source project was started whose aim was to recreate BeOS from scratch with full binary and source compatibility. This was OpenBeOS. The first release in 2002 was a community update to BeOS 5.0.3 with some open source replacements for Be code. The project name changed in 2004. With everything surrounding the demise of Be being highly litigious, it is no surprise that the project wished to avoid legal complications over their name. They chose Haiku.

Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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BeOS 5.1 with the network stack patches is nice.

That wasn't leaked until after Be stopped operating.

5.0, which was almost usable was only out for about 8 months before Be stopped operating.

4.5 and prior?

What does the dog say? "Ruff"

Yeah. 4.5 and prior could spin some teapots but not much else. By the time "good" BeOS came out all computers could spin teapots and Windows PCs had 3d hardware acceleration. BeOS barely had 2d hardware acceleration.

In the year 2000, after five years of development, BeOS didn't have multi-user support, a stable network stack, or USB mass storage support.

I think that people are remembering with rose-colored glasses about 5.0 (which if I remember right was "oops leaked lol" for free on a magazine disc) or 5.1 with all of the patches which started circulating after all of the laid-off Be employees started dumping files online.

Those of us who struggled for months to get BeOS stable and useful on our Performa 6400/200s have more bittersweet memories.

Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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Even now over 20 years later we still haven't had anything near as cool as BeFS. Who needs an email client when the file system can literally index it all and your inbox and email messages are literally files in a folder in a Tracker window that's just displaying email specific metadata for its columns.

Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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BeFS was amazing.

I miss BeOS, TBH. I ran a heavily customized BeOS R5.05 install that had upgraded bits from OpenBeOS (later, HaikuOS), ZetaOS etc.

I ran it as a daily driver on a Dell GX1 SFF that I swear was designed for BeOS: Max RAM the BeOS kernel supported without hackery was 768MB - The GX maxed out at 768MB; The GX1 had a Rage GPU that BeOS natively supported (Including 3D Acceleration!) which was a very short list; the GX1 had a supported NIC, IDE controllers, etc etc.

I had upgraded the CPU to a 1.4GHz Tualatin-S that, sadly, had to run at 1.04GHz as the GX1 wouldn't run a FSB higher than 100mhz so my 133mhz FSB Tualatin had to bop down a little. Still screamed.

sigh I miss that system. I would still be running it if lightning hadn't fried it.

It sat next to my NeXTstation Turbo Color that I used for way longer than was reasonable as my primary system, lol. The NeXT was a daily driver till 2008.

33mhz 040 w/ 128MB 60NS EDO. OPENSTEP4.2 + lots of ported goodies friends and I did. Even managed to get SSLv3 working and load newer websites! :D

... wish I hadn't sold it.

Oh yeah! I also had a Pre-FCC certification dual 66mhz BeBox. Cool machine. Slow as shit though. The 603e in it wasn't natively SMP capable IIRC. The GLU chip could either run one CPU with L2 cache or dual CPUs with L2 cache disabled. Coherency was done in software. Unless I am horribly misremembering. It was a nasty hack and showed.

My BeBox! https://www.flickr.com/photos/helfer/albums/7215762193739249...

My GX-1 and my NeXT :D https://www.flickr.com/photos/helfer/6676203105/in/photolist...

Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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New-ish video of actual BeBox running in HD video quality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkM9WbB8cWM I didn't know it had functional LED light meter in front of the case. very cool. Obligatory demo from the 90s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsVydyC8ZGQ

It's actually the system load on each 603e.

Source: dual BeBox/133 on my desk

Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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post #25

New-ish video of actual BeBox running in HD video quality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkM9WbB8cWM I didn't know it had functional LED light meter in front of the case. very cool. Obligatory demo from the 90s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsVydyC8ZGQ

yes! The Blinkenlights on the front of the case were a hoot. I had a prototype BeBox for awhile and it was delight. I linked to some images in another comment.

Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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post #25

New-ish video of actual BeBox running in HD video quality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkM9WbB8cWM I didn't know it had functional LED light meter in front of the case. very cool. Obligatory demo from the 90s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsVydyC8ZGQ

It's actually the system load on each 603e. Source: dual BeBox/133 on my desk

Still have one? I am jelly. Is there a working version of Haiku for them yet?
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