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Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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hnfong wrote: post #381
distcs wrote: post #297

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> Remember that a lot of tech people score higher on the autistic spectrum than normal people do. They do? This comes as a surprise to me. It could very well be true but I would like a citation for this. Kind of finding it hard to just accept this for a fact because I have been hanging out with technical folks for a long time and most folks I hang out don't see to be high on the autistic spectrum.

Selection bias? Presumably those higher on the autistic spectrum prefer to hang out less with people.

or prefer to hang out with other atypical folks :)

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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distcs wrote: post #297
pcf wrote: post #284

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Just two things: 1) Remember that a lot of tech people score higher on the autistic spectrum than normal people do. So most likely many of the commentators just don't have the biological wiring for feeling empathy like many others do. This might ease your mind a little. 2) Also remember that Musk would probably have given someone those three months to find other employment, seeing as he gave Twitter employees up to s…

> Remember that a lot of tech people score higher on the autistic spectrum than normal people do. They do? This comes as a surprise to me. It could very well be true but I would like a citation for this. Kind of finding it hard to just accept this for a fact because I have been hanging out with technical folks for a long time and most folks I hang out don't see to be high on the autistic spectrum.

one typical symptom of ADHD is a deficiency of emotional regulation and impaired inhibitory function (which results in a bit of impulsiveness). HN is a perfect place for folks addicted to novelty (interesting tech news always!), so it's not that surprising that there is a relative abundance of comments that would have been better left unsent :)

also, high is relative. too high would make it very hard to get and maintain a job.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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bombolo wrote: post #175
mduggles wrote: post #66

I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

I had a coworker in a similar situation. He had just immigrated with his family from Asia for a job, and soon after the startup we were at fired everyone and shut down. I took it easy before finding a job but he had to literally accept the 1st offer he got (which was bad) or he would have probably needed to move back.

Isn't there at least a few months trial period in these cases? :o Or this was after that?

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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caskstrength wrote: post #238
athrow wrote: post #122

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> This persons visa is dependent on their employment so now they get to go into a city they don't know and try desperately to find employment with an employer who is interested in sponsoring someone from abroad (which is a small fraction of the total employers). Alternatively they can just return to India? I'd be surprised if they didn't receive reallocation package (16k USD according to teamblind?). I don't expect a…

> I'd be surprised if they didn't receive reallocation package (16k USD according to teamblind?). Are you sure they will be allowed to keep it? Relocation package is usually tied to one year work period in the new location and you have to give it back if you leave earlier than that.

Good question, but it would be rather unfair to clawback the package when the termination was not due to fault of the employee.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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coinbasetwwa wrote: post #158
mduggles wrote: post #66

I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

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hm, could you spell it out for the slower ones? :) I don't get what do you mean by preventative medicine?

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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newsclues wrote: post #345
FieryTransition wrote: post #204

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Why do you think the trump hate is irrational? What is the main rational points and reasons you like Trump? Or at least, think that he is being unfairly treated, since that does not require liking/agreeing with him.

There is rational people who disapprove or criticize Trump or Elon, but people who fall into the "hate" camp seem to have fallen for the loudest voices lacking reason or logic. As a Canadian, I am not on either side, so I don't actually like or support Trump. Sometimes he is funny, sometimes his antics expose the folly of others, and sometimes he is a stupid brute. As an outside observer, it is easy to see that Trump…

Can you please elaborate on what you mean by not treated the same as others?

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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mlindner wrote: post #312
mduggles wrote: post #66

I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

> For all you budding Elons, here's a shorthand for it. If you ask someone to move across the world and don't need them anymore, give them three months on the books to find somewhere else that don't count against their visa. It will give them a chance to get settled and go on interviews. Or don't recruit internationally. It's amusing that even when the subject is completely unrelated to Elon Musk, people keep finding…

It's not that inexplicable. Successful people copy other successful people. There's an association in people's mind, both due to the temporal and the thematic closeness of the events.

He, his name, his problems/acts/behavior are in the zeitgeist, it's on people's minds, it's not surprising that he gets mentioned frequently.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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ClumsyPilot wrote: post #366
mk89 wrote: post #333

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> Decisions have consequences, except for conpanies it seems. It's a risk you take by leaving your continent and flying to another one without any permanent residence permit. It's really shit, but that's how it is. It's always been the case, it just makes now the news because it's Facebook. As I mentioned above, an ex colleague of mine moved from South America to Europe without even speaking the country's language an…

> It's a risk you take by leaving your continent and flying to another one without any permanent residence permit. This is a catch 22 - a permanent residence permit is only obtained by living in the country. > It's really shit, but that's how it is. It's always been the case You entire argument seems to boil down to 'its okay for our companies to exploit foreigners because it's always been this way'. You don't actual…

> firing foreigners

That's not what he said, where did you get this from?

His entire point is that companies just fire people. That they were a citizen or working with a visa may not even have entered the decision making process.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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haspok wrote: post #126

I read a story on my LinkedIn feed about a lady who had it worse: she relocated to the US with her family a couple months ago on an L1 visa, before being fired from Meta. Because of this, she now has a few months to pack her belongings, because obviously the L1 is non-transferable, and even if she applies and wins on the H1-B lottery and finds a sponsor the earliest she could start working again is fall of next year.…

... but who gambles their whole family on these horrible visas? (Okay, obviously people who don't have better options. Still, very disturbing cautionary tales :/)

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by kamaal »

pas wrote: post #469
haspok wrote: post #126

I read a story on my LinkedIn feed about a lady who had it worse: she relocated to the US with her family a couple months ago on an L1 visa, before being fired from Meta. Because of this, she now has a few months to pack her belongings, because obviously the L1 is non-transferable, and even if she applies and wins on the H1-B lottery and finds a sponsor the earliest she could start working again is fall of next year.…

... but who gambles their whole family on these horrible visas? (Okay, obviously people who don't have better options. Still, very disturbing cautionary tales :/)

>>Okay, obviously people who don't have better options.

As some body who has been through this whole process. Let me tell you people come to the US to work on Visas happen to be the most privileged of the pool.

Simply put, it is a high stakes game of luck, which you are more or less guaranteed to lose eventually. It just makes it very painful when you lose it sooner than you expect.

Immigration itself is a game of luck. People who end up winning really go through multiple level of family, career, health and visa luck situations. Most people get filtered out one phase or the other.

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