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Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

#761
post #697

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Avoiding all regulatory scrutiny and delays of an international wire transfer by converting them to domestic transfers in both countries is a major use of crypto that has almost no way of being quantified. International wires are fraught with painful user experiences and costs and time issues and its all unknown beforehand. This works even better when you already have inventory of ANY crypto, or keep stablecoins on h…

That requires you to trust stablecoins, though. Not a very wise idea IMO, for any meaningful amount of money

yeah there isnt a perfect one

USDC fits my risk profile, as well as MIM

I want a better managed variant of MIM

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#762
post #262

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>But you realize that banks (and individuals) could have all the advantages of decentralization if they just chose to be decentralized too, right? The closest you can get to decentralization with the traditional finance system is to withdraw and store cash, which is expensive/risky and causes inflation to eat away at your savings. Good luck with other parts of the finance system (eg. investments or loans). It's ironi…

> The closest you can get to decentralization with the traditional finance system is to withdraw and store cash, which is expensive/risky and causes inflation to eat away at your savings. I don’t see how it’s any different from the situation with, say, bitcoin. If you store a bitcoin, it just sits there, and its value follows that of the market. The fact that bitcoin is deflationary has nothing to do with decentralis…

>I don’t see how it’s any different from the situation with, say, bitcoin. If you store a bitcoin, it just sits there, and its value follows that of the market.

Note, that by "expensive/risky" I was talking about the physical storage of the bills (eg. risk of theft or needing to install security equipment), not the opportunity cost of not putting the money to work. The latter is a whole can of worms that I don't want to get into.

>The fact that bitcoin is deflationary has nothing to do with decentralisation; a central bank could do that as well. They don’t because deflation is a terrible way of running an economy, not because it’s not possible.

>Mild inflation is much better than deflation from an economic point of view. What do you think are the advantages of deflation? I can see the “the value of my pile keeps getting bigger”, but how would that work e.g. for farmers who need to invest to produce food, or people who need a loan to buy a house, if the whole system is deflationary?

>But again, that’s a red herring because central banks can have deflationary policies. They don’t because that causes the economy to contract, unemployment to rise, and investments to fall.

I don't doubt there are great reasons to run an inflationary monetary policy, but the fact still remains that if you want to keep cash around you'll be subject to inflation.

>You could loan cash as well and get interests from that.

But now it turns into a full time job.

>Again, this has nothing to do with cryptocurrencies. The infrastructure that was built on top of cryptocurrencies enable doing it at larger scales and over longer distances, but that’s not a qualitative difference (besides the fact that this tends to concentration, running against the decentralisation ideal).

No, because with cryptocurrencies you can deposit your money into some sort of lending protocol and have that handle it for you, rather than having to do it yourself by being a loan officer/servicer and debt collector.

>It’s something that emerged because of economies of scale. Personally, I feel much safer with my money with an institution that is big and resilient enough that I am very close to 100% certain that it’ll still exist tomorrow. This can also be done with cryptocurrencies, but against this goes against the dogmatic ideal of decentralisation.

But the whole reason why you have to worry about your whether your money is in a "big and resilient" institution is that the only way of storing money in the finance system is at a fractional reserve institution, which can be subject to bank runs. It's possible to structure a bank that doesn't have this problem (eg. narrow banking), but for some reason the government isn't too big on it.

>How is it a problem in practice?

It's an issue any time you want to store/transfer a large amount of money. Although to be fair most americans don't have enough savings for this to be an issue so I'll let that slide.

Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

#763
post #33

So, having been around since the early bitcoin days, core to the salespitch back then was the fact you would have control. You'd have your coins in your wallet, and no need for banks etc. Apparently nobody does this anymore, and gives their wallets to these exchanges (i.e. banks) and balks when the obvious happens in pyramid schemes. People just don't get distributed currency if they promptly undistribute it. Or is i…

I do it. Certainly some people else.

Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

#764

Okay, non-crypto user here. Just how big was AAX?

I’m deep into crypto and nobody I know has ever heard of it, and nobody I follow has ever mentioned it.

Understood. Thanks for your response! I have never heard of it before either.

Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

#765
post #108

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You can say that, but when MtGox went bankrupt, and also lost 4 fifths of its stored crypto, the court just heaped together all assets into one big pile and all creditors into one big pile and let them fight it out. So now there's a bunch of assholes including but not limited to Peter Vessenes, that are suing the bankrupt entity for billions (completely frivolous of course) and all the depositors have waited for 8 ye…

Well, let's not forget that BTC has gone up from $300 to $15,000 in the meantime, meaning those fractions are still worth 50x what they were back in 2014. Although who knows what the value of BTC will be once the funds are released, which is itself an event that's likely to crash the market through oversupply.

I don't understand this comment. Replace with Apple/Google/Amazon/Tesla stock. It sounds like the same story. What are you saying?

Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

#766

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Yes. Someone has to get the user experience right.

FWIW, that user experience is most likely Coinbase, or something very much like Coinbase. Not only is the UX good, but customer funds are taken seriously now and have been for a long time.

Coinbase still has custody of customer assets, though. That's what has to be either eliminated or insured to avoid trouble.

Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

#767

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> The entire purpose of cryptocurrencies are to avoid those things, so while you technically could have them with a cryptocurrency, you would end up with no good reason to have a cryptocurrency at all. I will substitute a word from your post that will help you understand this easier: "The entire purpose of cash is to avoid those things, so while you technically could have them with cash, you would end up with no good…

Cryptocurrencies are nothing like cash for one important reason: they are not subject to physical constraints. You cannot easily scam millions of people around the world out of their hard-earned cash in a couple of days. You cannot easily move millions of dollars in cash without conspicuously hauling objects around and/or engaging many people to help with that. You can reverse a cash transaction immediately by grabbi…

I believe that every single sentence in your second paragraph is factually incorrect. I know of all of the things you say aren’t possible with cash are, for a fact, possible and common.

Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

#768
"some users' balance data were found abnormally recorded in our system"

Fraud, embezzlement or just plain incompetence..

"resume regular operations for all users within 7-10 days to ensure the utmost accuracy. In this light, withdrawals have been suspended "

Then in 7 days, bankruptcy...

Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

#769
post #98

This all seems like less a problem of crypto as such, and more that exchanges are making a virtual fractional reserve currency by leveraging customer deposits for loans/investments. ie it's a 'banking' problem, specifically a 'fractional reserve banking' problem, not a crypto problem. This is exactly why fractional reserve banking is heavily regulated.

This is the correct take, and why American regulators need to address crypto sooner rather than later.

That may actually be counterproductive. If you start regulating crypto, then you are IN. You can't do it half way. Now you have yet another banking sector to regulate.

Maybe what's better and cheaper is to let this wild west "enjoy being poor" nonsense flame out until everyone shoots themselves and it's curtains.

It will sort of be like Usenet - it didn't go anywhere but you have to know how to find it.

Re: Crypto exchange AAX suspends withdrawals

#770
post #272

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That's how they made their money for most of their existence, and how crypto exchanges still do, but not anymore. The NYSE actually makes most of its money now by charging for colocated server space which HFT's use to get super low latency connections to the market.

Wait, really? That sounds weirdly counterintuitive. Do you know if there's any public information about this? The only thing I could find from a quick search was [0] which doesn't provide a huge amount of info... [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/algotrading/comments/2c1r4e/how_muc...

Take a read through the 10-K for the NYSE's parent company, Intercontinental Exchange, Inc.: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1571949/000157194922...

OP is wrong though. Their entire data and hosting revenue is $838m, but more traditional listing and transaction fees make up the rest of their $3.8b revenue. So basically 20% data and hosting, 80% classic exchange profit: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1571949/000157194922...

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