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#31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just want to say that this attitude towards employment will likely be part of the eventual downfall of the USA. The reason ? It's too risky to tell your boss the truth so when things are going bad so it's easier just not to say anything, I noticed my American colleagues will often not say anything to "the grand leader", they will maybe even encourage stupidity. Where as when I worked in Europe, that doesn't happen.…

Nah. Everywhere I've ever worked, you can tell any boss things they don't want to hear. What you have to do is do it respectfully . I've told directors and VPs multiple levels up from me that I thought they were wrong about something in large meetings. I said it to their face and respectfully, and that was fine. As long as you understand your place and don't publicly trash your boss, there's normally no problem. The…

It's not about that, it's that you have to think and put a lot of mental energy into "being respectful" rather than just being straight forwards and direct. You have to wait for the right time etc.

Giving feedback has higher risk and cost to it than it would otherwise be so why even do it?

While I'm not claiming it's an immediate crisis, I think it is and will continue to become a net long term loss for corporate American culture.

Musk is now teaching the world you can just fire people for saying anything you don't like without even a phone call, it will only make people more apprehensive to talk more freely.

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#34

oh come on though, eric was playing for a severance package. If you're going to call out a sensitive ego in public, bring the facts up front.

He and several others apparently did bring facts. Those tweets aren't available now it seems.

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#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just want to say that this attitude towards employment will likely be part of the eventual downfall of the USA. The reason ? It's too risky to tell your boss the truth so when things are going bad so it's easier just not to say anything, I noticed my American colleagues will often not say anything to "the grand leader", they will maybe even encourage stupidity. Where as when I worked in Europe, that doesn't happen.…

Nah. Everywhere I've ever worked, you can tell any boss things they don't want to hear. What you have to do is do it respectfully . I've told directors and VPs multiple levels up from me that I thought they were wrong about something in large meetings. I said it to their face and respectfully, and that was fine. As long as you understand your place and don't publicly trash your boss, there's normally no problem. The…

Looked pretty respectful to me. Musk was throwing devs under the bus, a dev politely corrected them.

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#37
Elon's "free speech" is just marketing. He himself is not qualified to moderate Twitter. They're offended easily and throw tantrums when they don't get their way. If this is how the boss acts the rest of the staff will be taking notes and doing it to you too.

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#38

On a scale of 0 (hiring at Twitter is as easy as possible) to 100 (Twitter can never hire anyone again) how bad is it now that Musk fired an employee in front of millions of users, especially since the employee was calling out obvious bullshit?

I suppose Elon misunderstood what “build in public” meant.

It's a shame because Elon was certainly enjoying the prerogative to shit on that team's work.

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#39
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My impression of Elon is that he would appreciate this straightforward feedback that is consistent with his no bs persona. I wonder if he has different evidence than what was presented to him ?

Nothing is his public interaction or interviews lends this impression to anyone that has been paying attention.

Re: He’s Fired

#40

Elon's "free speech" is just marketing. He himself is not qualified to moderate Twitter. They're offended easily and throw tantrums when they don't get their way. If this is how the boss acts the rest of the staff will be taking notes and doing it to you too.

Tantrum is a kind way of framing Elon's social media style. Elon's tactical repertoire includes accusations of pedophilia, as he did to a rescue worker during a deadly rescue mission. Elon later double-downed on the claim by elaborating on why he thought the rescue worker was a pedophile.
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