Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now. • Hacker News Board

Re: Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.

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Post by tuyguntn » Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 1:08 AM UTC

kumarm wrote: post #40

After seeing Elon mixing up all async services that happen in backend with Android client making as many requests, I wonder if I thought this guy is smart because I know nothing about building cars or launching space rockets. Edit: "guy is smart" probably should be "guy is technically competent". I am sure Elon is smart, I think he is being Phony while acting technically competent in every area.

he doesn't need to be smart, if you are building something yourself, then you should be smart about that stuff, but if you are managing people to build, then it is enough if you can manage the execution well (including hiring, funding and everything else)

Re: Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.

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Post by joenathanone » Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 1:08 AM UTC

meibo wrote: post #20

joenathanone wrote: post #13

Can anyone else not login to Twitter?

Elon turned off the 2fa microservice to reduce complexity: https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/15922599381095219...

I don't even use 2fa for Twitter, I can't even login normally.

Re: Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.

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Post by bottlepalm » Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 1:08 AM UTC

freejazz wrote: post #47

bottlepalm wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they're getting good stock awards to stay, and if they think they can turn Twitter around, then there's a good chance they can make a lot of money. Now that Twitter is private the stock is going to be a lot less volatile. Work hard. Acquire users. Enter new markets. Valuation improves (once or twice a year). Cash out during a purchase offer. If I were Elon, I'd be drowning the remaining loyal employees with RSUs.

Do you do any real estate investment? I have this property in Brooklyn that I think you'd be really interested in

No, but plenty of SpaceX and Tesla employees became very wealthy sticking with Elon's ups and downs over the years.

There's no doubt, executed correctly, Twitter could be a $200 billion company or more. It's really an opportunity for the employees to make that a reality. Elon (like his other companies) is going to put the engineers in control.

Re: Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.

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Post by jsnell » Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 1:08 AM UTC

The context here is that the engineer in question challenged Musk's (public) claims about why Twitter is so slow (there's followup tweets in the thread with more detail): https://twitter.com/EricFrohnhoefer/status/15919022854034186...

So Musk then fired him with a Tweet: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1592186302379982849

Re: Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.

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Post by wilg » Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 1:08 AM UTC

Folks, just to set expectations here, it’s gonna be like this for a couple years. He’s going to be nanomanaging the company and learning from scratch the entire business and doing wild shit until he figures it out. And it’s going to be chaos internally and leaks left and right and ten crazy stories like this a week. The signal to noise ratio is gonna be ridiculously low and everyone’s going to get whipped up in every direction. Personally, I recommend getting off Twitter (not because of Elon per se but because of the unhealthy existing design) and checking in next year around this time to see if it’s any better. Better than drive yourself crazy by mainlining Elon Twitter drama.

Re: Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.

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Post by paxys » Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 1:09 AM UTC

bottlepalm wrote: post #31

paxys wrote: post #14

I would love to hear from Twitter engineers who survived layoffs and aren't actively looking for other jobs right now. What is going on in your head? Are you okay with all the changes Musk is making? Did he fire the "right" people? Do you think you will have stable employment and a reasonable work environment for the next 1-3 years?

If they're getting good stock awards to stay, and if they think they can turn Twitter around, then there's a good chance they can make a lot of money. Now that Twitter is private the stock is going to be a lot less volatile. Work hard. Acquire users. Enter new markets. Valuation improves (once or twice a year). Cash out during a purchase offer. If I were Elon, I'd be drowning the remaining loyal employees with RSUs.

Elon literally just said that bankruptcy is a possibility for twitter in the near future. What are these RSUs going to be worth exactly? And how are they going to cash them out?

Re: Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.

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Post by dragonwriter » Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 1:09 AM UTC

tuyguntn wrote: post #41

I feel like engineers behaved like a jerk in this case. Maybe Elon's tweet about 1000 RPC calls were wrong, but they could politely point it out, try to help to the company by joining internal discussions about what's going on. But no, instead they started attacking the current owner of company publicly (good or bad, doesn't matter, he is now owner of company, if you don't like it just resign professionally).

> try to help to the company by joining internal discussions about what's going on

Its been widely reported that internal communication is ineffective since the takeover, even before the mass firings which drove the expectations to managers have a expected span of 20 professional direct reports (exceeded wildly in some cases) and expected to also be actively coding themselves.

Musk could deal with that breakdown that he caused responsibly, or he could shoot the messenger and reinforce the thermocline of truth effect isolating him from knowledge of what is going on in the company he owns.

Re: Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.

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Post by Spivak » Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 1:09 AM UTC

I'm surprised at the number of people defending Elon here, how would you feel if your CEO literally shit on your work in public to millions of people and not only that was completely totally wrong about it.

Like I'm not surprised that they got fired because Elon behaves like a toddler but god damn if your response isn't to salute two people who got axed for speaking the truth then you have your priorities ass backwards.

Re: Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.

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Post by TheAceOfHearts » Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 1:09 AM UTC

summerlight wrote: post #23

Looks like Elon tries to act like a chief architect of Twitter[1] even though he still seems to confuse that 1000 RPCs are serially sent[2] from the app[3]? Why don't we do a public technical design interview session for Elon to see if he is technically competent enough for architecting one of the most famous social network? :sigh: [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1592177471654604800 [2] https://twitter.com/el…

Related to this discussion, Elon made a tweet saying there are over 1200 microservices. Are there any tech talks or explanation videos showing a rough outline of what all these microservices do or how they're broken up? It's difficult to wrap my head around that amount.

Re: Twitter Android app dev fired: Guess it's official now.

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Post by paxys » Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 1:09 AM UTC

wilg wrote: post #55

Folks, just to set expectations here, it’s gonna be like this for a couple years. He’s going to be nanomanaging the company and learning from scratch the entire business and doing wild shit until he figures it out. And it’s going to be chaos internally and leaks left and right and ten crazy stories like this a week. The signal to noise ratio is gonna be ridiculously low and everyone’s going to get whipped up in every…

The drama is literally the only reason I'm on Twitter right now. Better than any TV show. The moment things get back to "normal" I'm deleting the app.