oh come on though, eric was playing for a severance package.
If you're going to call out a sensitive ego in public, bring the facts up front.
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
On what grounds? Most of US is at will employment, so the worst that he's subject to is something like california's WARN act which requires 60 days notice. However, AFAIK the employees are still receiving a paycheck, just that they have nothing to do and are locked out of the company's systems.
I just want to say that this attitude towards employment will likely be part of the eventual downfall of the USA. The reason ? It's too risky to tell your boss the truth so when things are going bad so it's easier just not to say anything, I noticed my American colleagues will often not say anything to "the grand leader", they will maybe even encourage stupidity. Where as when I worked in Europe, that doesn't happen.…
Nah.
Everywhere I've ever worked, you can tell any boss things they don't want to hear. What you have to do is do it respectfully. I've told directors and VPs multiple levels up from me that I thought they were wrong about something in large meetings. I said it to their face and respectfully, and that was fine. As long as you understand your place and don't publicly trash your boss, there's normally no problem.
The tweet in question here was... not that.
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
On what grounds? Most of US is at will employment, so the worst that he's subject to is something like california's WARN act which requires 60 days notice. However, AFAIK the employees are still receiving a paycheck, just that they have nothing to do and are locked out of the company's systems.
I just want to say that this attitude towards employment will likely be part of the eventual downfall of the USA. The reason ? It's too risky to tell your boss the truth so when things are going bad so it's easier just not to say anything, I noticed my American colleagues will often not say anything to "the grand leader", they will maybe even encourage stupidity. Where as when I worked in Europe, that doesn't happen.…
It’s been this way in the USA a long, long time for non-Union jobs (maybe since our founding? I don’t know).
So whether you agree or disagree with employment-at-will, I don’t see how it will be the downfall of the USA given the history.
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#24oh come on though, eric was playing for a severance package. If you're going to call out a sensitive ego in public, bring the facts up front.
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#25Here we see the ruling class unleashing their serfs against the bourgeoisie, a tale as old as tales.
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#26My impression of Elon is that he would appreciate this straightforward feedback that is consistent with his no bs persona. I wonder if he has different evidence than what was presented to him ?
Elon Musk has a no bs persona? Isn't his persona almost always bullshitting?
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
I just want to say that this attitude towards employment will likely be part of the eventual downfall of the USA. The reason ? It's too risky to tell your boss the truth so when things are going bad so it's easier just not to say anything, I noticed my American colleagues will often not say anything to "the grand leader", they will maybe even encourage stupidity. Where as when I worked in Europe, that doesn't happen.…
Nah. Everywhere I've ever worked, you can tell any boss things they don't want to hear. What you have to do is do it respectfully . I've told directors and VPs multiple levels up from me that I thought they were wrong about something in large meetings. I said it to their face and respectfully, and that was fine. As long as you understand your place and don't publicly trash your boss, there's normally no problem. The…
Was his original tweet actually disrespectful? His CEO is openly ridiculing his own company's engineering teams, and he simply said that what Musk said was wrong.
The second tweet had some more sass to it to match the tweet he was responding to, but it also wasn't all that bad. He points out the above in that Musk should be bringing these things up internally rather than publicly belittling his own employees with what appears to be incorrect information.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
I just want to say that this attitude towards employment will likely be part of the eventual downfall of the USA. The reason ? It's too risky to tell your boss the truth so when things are going bad so it's easier just not to say anything, I noticed my American colleagues will often not say anything to "the grand leader", they will maybe even encourage stupidity. Where as when I worked in Europe, that doesn't happen.…
It’s been this way in the USA a long, long time for non-Union jobs (maybe since our founding? I don’t know). So whether you agree or disagree with employment-at-will, I don’t see how it will be the downfall of the USA given the history.
But it would be a better place if people could speak more freely without fear or being fired and without better social safety nets.
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#29Presumably intentional? Whether right or wrong on tech that was never a survivable pissing contest
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#30On a scale of 0 (hiring at Twitter is as easy as possible) to 100 (Twitter can never hire anyone again) how bad is it now that Musk fired an employee in front of millions of users, especially since the employee was calling out obvious bullshit?
I suppose Elon misunderstood what “build in public” meant.
And free speech and everything else he touts. Yet again, it's an example of: don't tell Musk he is wrong, especially in public.
Musk has also, presumably, removed the conversation shown here from Twitter: https://twitter.com/ichdertom/status/1592217628214722560/pho...