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Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by jdminhbg »

kgwxd wrote: post #381
robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

ACA isn't an insurance plan. What was or wasn't covered, and what your out-of-pocket costs were, have nothing to do with ACA. ACA forced you to pick a plan or face tax penalties, that's all, the rest is on the plan you chose. If you had chosen to not have insurance at all, you'd have paid way more that 10k and maybe even more than what you've put into your premiums already. I pay $1640 a month for full family coverag…

> What was or wasn't covered, and what your out-of-pocket costs were, have nothing to do with ACA.

This isn’t true at all, the ACA did a lot of mandating what insurance companies must cover, what maximum deductibles were, etc.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by xracy »

drcross wrote: post #450
xracy wrote: post #205

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Nah, Pfizer is a terrible company. Pharmaceutical companies can rot in hell. But that doesn't change the fact that vaccines save lives. It's not that I am bending over backwards to defend Pharma. It's that people are bending over backwards to find shitty things in the silver linings of these companies, instead of just complaining about the thunderclouds themselves like the rest of us. Corporations are big. Companies…

>But that doesn't change the fact that vaccines save lives. Yeah, all fine and good when you have informed consent. I took my life in my own hands by not getting vaccinated for covid after I looked at the mortality age graph, and knew I was fit and healthy and didn't need to worry. Society at large, however, castigated me, threw me in the same box as a conspiracy theorist, denied me my rights. People acted goddamn st…

Saving lives is not always about saving your life. You don't live in a vacuum, your decisions affect other people around you.

Where your decisions don't affect people around you, you're absolutely correct. But infectious diseases are not one of those cases.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by lotsofpulp »

nightski wrote: post #334
DebtDeflation wrote: post #267

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People who get their insurance through their employer also typically have no idea how much their insurance premium costs because the average employer pays 70-80% of the actual monthly premium and what gets deducted from your paycheck every month is just the remainder.

I'm guessing you are correct, seeing as in a similar fashion I'd imagine there are a lot of people who have no idea what their 401(k) is even invested in. However when going through the annual election process it generally makes it very clear how much you are paying out of each paycheck and what the employer contributes. Now whether people pay attention at all I can't say.

It is also listed in W-2 box 12 code DD. And many employers include the employer contribution on paystubs.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by asveikau »

no_butterscotch wrote: post #124
robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

> We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. I'm curious about this. In my world COVID is over now. I live in San Francisco. Nobody I know is getting boosters or is worried about it anymore. Where do you live and what are the circumstances like there that you're considering getting your "next" one? (you've been boosted before?).

> Nobody I know is getting boosters or is worried about it anymore

Your San Francisco social circles are different from mine. Most people I talk to about this got the bivalent booster and got the old booster last year.

But people do not seem super worried at this phase. The booster is something routine like a flu shot.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by lotsofpulp »

ministryoftruth wrote: post #487
thrwy_918 wrote: post #354

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> The ACA covered none of it or a very small portion The ACA is not an insurance plan, so I assume you are using "ACA" as shorthand for "ACA-compliant insurance coverage". It is simply not plausible that an ACA-compliant plan would wholesale "not cover" a hospital stay for myocarditis, absent extremely niche and bizarre circumstances. Given that you don't seem very familiar with the specifics, I have to assume that y…

The reason that it's not covered is that insurance plans don't cover damages caused by experimental procedures that the insured chose to participate in. Recall that the vaccine is not FDA approved for children (only adults), it only has an emergency use authorization for children.

That is not true. Health insurance in the US has to cover all healthcare, but not experimental treatment.

Suppose the insured did use a non evidence supported vaccine or whatever, the vaccine itself would not be covered by insurance, but the healthcare needed by the damage caused by the use of unsupported medicine would be covered.

Similarly, health insurance has to pay for your healthcare if you get into a car accident and do not have sufficient auto insurance to pay for your healthcare costs. Technically, you are sort of buying redundant insurance if you buy PIP.

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Post by hombre_fatal »

ryandrake wrote: post #265
eftychis wrote: post #150

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People I know are getting COVID in the Bay Area -- multiple weeks sick (I can count at least 6 -- in the moment -- for the span of middle of October until now). We are still in the pandemic. The problem is it has to stop everywhere for us to get complacent. Especially, given that everyone wants to travel -- and travel abroad. Pandemic is here. Nothing is over. We are distracted with other things. Things are "good" in…

Yea, it's not even remotely over. People are bored of it, and it makes them sad, so a lot of them stopped taking precautions, but it's not over. It just ripped through my family in Florida (again) since nobody is masking there and everyone is just carrying on as if it were 2019. My kid's school seems to perpetually has a case or two. I take it seriously by getting boosted, masking, continuing to avoid crowds and publ…

Or people have weighed the costs/benefits and have decided that your preferred precautions aren't worth it anymore to them.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by heavyset_go »

pantalaimon wrote: post #418
threatofrain wrote: post #375

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A two week stay at the hospital may have amounted to over $170k at the optimistically low end.

How?! Did they have to build an extra annex to the building just for that?

> How?!

Simply because they can and no one is going to stop them, so why not? This is the system working as intended.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by linuxftw »

ivraatiems wrote: post #280
linuxftw wrote: post #262

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A vaccine requires an antigen. There's no antigen in the mRNA or Adeno-vector vaccines. I'm not willing to pretend that these new medical products are in any way similar to the previous technology. Gene therapy accurately describes the drug's effect. It injects instructions into your cells to replicate a protein, that's gene therapy. In this case, rather than treating some disease, it's designed to provoke an immune…

> "A vaccine requires an antigen. There's no antigen in the mRNA or Adeno-vector vaccines." That's not what a vaccine is. Vaccines do not "require" an antigen, they "act as" an antigen. Whether they include the antigen directly or a mechanism for producing it doesn't matter. Live-virus vaccines are just a more imprecise version of the technology that powers mRNA vaccines. They're doing the same thing, but more sloppi…

> involves actually changing the DNA housed in the nucleus in your cells.

No, that's gene modification, one type of gene therapy.

Here's a paper that discusses using mRNA as gene therapy to treat cancer [1]. Transcription into a cell's own DNA isn't a requirement for something to be gene therapy, only that the intent is to have a cell produce something it otherwise wouldn't. That can be permanent (DNA transcription), or temporary (mRNA that doesn't replicate).

I'm sorry you've been misled by the media, but mRNA and Adeno-vector 'vaccines' are not vaccines, they are gene therapy drugs. Vaccines contain an antigen.

> between this and the "Marxist-level thinking"

I mean, you seem to be sharing ideas that are ideologically similar to Marx. Control the population with propaganda, if they don't comply, use force.

1: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8949480/

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by archagon »

chroma wrote: post #287
eftychis wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People I know are getting COVID in the Bay Area -- multiple weeks sick (I can count at least 6 -- in the moment -- for the span of middle of October until now). We are still in the pandemic. The problem is it has to stop everywhere for us to get complacent. Especially, given that everyone wants to travel -- and travel abroad. Pandemic is here. Nothing is over. We are distracted with other things. Things are "good" in…

It should be clear by now that covid is never going away. No country managed to stop it, no matter how strict their policies were. Unless you plan to be a hermit for the rest of your life, expect to get covid every few years.

Or you could reasonably wear an N95 mask indoors. Hardly being a "hermit".

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by lotsofpulp »

GartzenDeHaes wrote: post #469
thrwy_918 wrote: post #62

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> Obamacare, which was forced upon us and costs us $2,400 PER MONTH, did not cover it Can you expand on this please? I find it extremely hard to understand how an ACA-compliant health care plan could "not cover" a hospital stay for myocarditis. Unless you're on a high-deductible plan and the entire stay was less than your deductible?

Deductibles often run $5,000 to $10,000 and usually only 80% is covered after that.

Out of pocket maximums are $9k/$18k for individual/families.

https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/out-of-pocket-maximum-li...

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