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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by phtrivier »

daliz wrote: post #318
phtrivier wrote: post #311

Just so we now for next time: what is the proper way to express concerns about _this_ kind of things with enough nuance and moderation so as not to be automatically considered an anti-scientist tin foil hat ? What is the scientifically acceptable way to phrase "I'm not concerned about BigPharma planting 5G chips in my future children's eyeballs to turn them into communist ; but I'm very concerned about blind spots du…

You are completely right. People who expressed concerns or some doubts just a few months ago were attacked, downvoted, silenced and socially outcast. This is not science. This is the opposite of science.

Well, at the peak of the epidemics, there was a whole industry devoted to claiming the most bogus things and preventing the people with the highest risk / benefit ratio from taking their shots. I made fun of the most hilarious of them too.

That did not make me any less scared of the "oooops" moment.

This will get worse (myocarditis today, menstural cycles tomorrow, maybe strokes and cancer later ?), then worse (vast number of people completely loosing faith into their docs and letting a much worse epidemy settle), then worse, before it gets... well, before life goes on and we mostly forget, as it has ever done and as we ever did, I suppose ?

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by hotpotamus »

chasd00 wrote: post #274
robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

my sister ended up with endocarditis and nearly died. She went from "i feel bad, i should go to the doctor" to emergency heart valve replacement surgery in about 8 days.

Natasha Leone (famous actress) talks about getting endocarditis and it was serious as well. She was very vulnerable to it because of some behavioral factors. My impression is that myocarditis is not as serious as endocarditis though.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by calculatte »

AustinDev wrote: post #174
calculatte wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With the way the numbers around Covid and Covid deaths were cooked, there is no way to determine how many died from Covid. Excess mortality is higher now than during Covid https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-excess-deaths-hi... There is evidence of statistical lies perpetuated to benefit big pharma. - The extreme false positive rate of COVID testing - Blindly combining "of" and "with" Covid cases for cause of…

Just a meta comment. This exact comment 1 year ago would have been downvoted until it was dead. However, much of the evidence for this was available at that time. I sadly think we'll continue to see excess deaths climb over the coming years particularly in the US. I'm glad I only got the J&J shot way back when it came out and avoided 3+ rounds of Pfizer or Moderna primary and boosters.

It seems the only difference between conspiracy theory and accepted fact is about 18 months now.

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Post by xracy »

hitpointdrew wrote: post #271
xracy wrote: post #164

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It is wild to me that people look at a number like 3/1,000,000 and don't think wow, that's 1900 Children who could die from something we have a vaccine for, that actively prevents the cause. Also, can you imagine losing a child to something that was preventable? You can play numbers and statistics all day, but we're talking about children's lives. You're probably not a parent? But for reference, go find examples of p…

You are ignoring the parents that lost children due to the vaccine, or now have children with ongoing medical issues. Children are not dying from covid. So there is no need to vaccinate them unless they are in a high risk category. The NY Times reported "For children without a serious medical condition, the danger of severe Covid is so low as to be difficult to quantify."

"Children are not dying from covid." Is a strong claim.

And it would be just as backed up as if I were to say "Children are not dying from covid vaccines."

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

scifibestfi wrote: post #64
robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

You're not angered that you were advised to give this to a 15 year old with no upside even after he was hospitalized for 2 weeks as a result?!

"No upside" is not accurate. Hospitalizations from COVID are quite rare in 15 year olds, but not remotely as rare as these cases of myocarditis.

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Post by skyde »

calculatte wrote: post #144
queuebert wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Covid has killed millions. How many have died of myocarditis? While I agree with your sentiment, it's hyperbolic to claim the vaccine has done "exponentially more damage than the virus".

With the way the numbers around Covid and Covid deaths were cooked, there is no way to determine how many died from Covid. Excess mortality is higher now than during Covid https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-excess-deaths-hi... There is evidence of statistical lies perpetuated to benefit big pharma. - The extreme false positive rate of COVID testing - Blindly combining "of" and "with" Covid cases for cause of…

what do you mean by "than during Covid"? are you trying to imply covid have been eradicated ?

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Post by hotpotamus »

jrumbut wrote: post #282
robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

Although it wasn't vaccine related, my wife had a similar bill for a similar reason and I learned a couple things: They may be saying the hospital or some provider within it was out of network, challenge this on the grounds it was an emergency. Challenge everything on the grounds that it was an emergency. We had excellent grounds to challenge a few of the charges from the hospital (clear billing mistakes), but it nev…

I have an uninsured friend who just gives them a fake name. Seems very non-confrontational to me.

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Post by koolba »

jjcon wrote: post #268
walterbell wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flu shots were not mandated for work, study or travel.

Is anyone requiring boosters for work, study or travel? Not to my knowledge.

New York University (NYU) requires boosters for all students: https://www.nyu.edu/life/safety-health-wellness/coronavirus-...

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Post by UncleOxidant »

hedora wrote: post #151
UncleOxidant wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't he risk of myocarditis actually higher if you get infected with covid compared with getting a covid vaccine? https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-...

Yes. In particular, the contents of the mRNA vaccines are a subset of what a covid infection produces. The anti-vax stance is similar to the claims that tightly regulated nicotine vapes are worse than high tar cigarettes. (Except that you can just choose to not smoke, of course.)

I hear a lot of anti-vaxy stuff about how the spike protein is damaging in itself (implying that you shouldn't get the vaccine because you'll have spike proteins flowing around in your blood), but they seem to ignore the fact that when you get actual covid the virus is multiplying in your cells and spike proteins are more widespread and more numerous.

I see the argument here in this thread that the vaccine isn't really preventing you from getting covid at this point (which is probably largely true) but shouldn't being vaccinated mean that you'll have a lower viral load and shorter duration of illness?

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Post by HarryHirsch »

ceejayoz wrote: post #310
HarryHirsch wrote: post #296

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The problem field is slighty different: if your income is constrained and you are generally in good health you are going to choose a low premium plan with consequent higher deductible. When it's your turn to end up in hospital you get to pay up to the (substantial for you) out-of-pocket limit, even though you belong to the demographic that cannot afford it and Obamacare was sold to you as making healthcare affordable…

All of this was true pre-ACA, but worse (in my family's case, much worse; we went bankrupt over $90k in medical bills back in the 2000s). As it was, the thing barely passed.

Ezekiel 4:12-15 applies:

’Eat the food as you would a loaf of barley bread; bake it in the sight of the people, using human excrement for fuel.’ ... I said, ‘Not so, Sovereign Lord! I have never defiled myself.’ ‘Very well,’ he said, ‘I will let you bake your bread over cow dung instead of human excrement.’

We could be dealing with worse shit, however shit remains shit.

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