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Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by nradov »

tablespoon wrote: post #77
robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

> The one thing that angers me is that this incident cost us $10K. Obamacare, which was forced upon us and costs us $2,400 PER MONTH, did not cover it. We have no recourse whatsoever for this incident and any future care requirements. Seriously? That's shitty. What's the insurance company's rationale for denying the claim? Isn't there some kind of government fund to compensate people for vaccine side effects? Seems l…

Yes there is a government compensation program: Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP).

https://www.hrsa.gov/cicp

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by abeppu »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #15

Cool, now what's the incidence of Myocarditis and similar after COVID-19 infection? It's possible that such a vaccine causes a number of such cases, and still prevents a much larger number of them. In fact it also seems to be true in this case. Discussing the vaccines out of this context, is scaremongering. You're much better off taking your chances with the COVID-19 vaccine than taking your chances unvaccinated. htt…

Also, myocarditis can be more or less severe, IIUC. The article links to this CDC presentation, and on slide 5 they characterize myocarditis associated with mRNA vaccination vs myocarditis associated with viral illness. The proportion that recover cardiac function, and the time to recover cardiac function are better in the mRNA case.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-...

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by Server6 »

throwaway5959 wrote: post #11
hitpointdrew wrote: post #4

Seems like this should have been a requirement before any emergency use authorization, and certainly before any mandates. The fact that this research is just now being done ought to be enough to immediately revoke the FDA emergency use authorizations and pull the product from the shelves. The covid vaccines have been a complete and utter disaster at every level. The erosion of trust in the institutions that are suppo…

Still glad I took my chances with the vaccine: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/01/11/brie...

I watched one of my best friends choke on his own lungs and die of COVID last year. He'd be alive if he had gotten the vaccine.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by [deleted] »

thrwy_918 wrote: post #62
robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

> Obamacare, which was forced upon us and costs us $2,400 PER MONTH, did not cover it Can you expand on this please? I find it extremely hard to understand how an ACA-compliant health care plan could "not cover" a hospital stay for myocarditis. Unless you're on a high-deductible plan and the entire stay was less than your deductible?

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Post by pieter_mj »

wrycoder wrote: post #8
hitpointdrew wrote: post #4

Seems like this should have been a requirement before any emergency use authorization, and certainly before any mandates. The fact that this research is just now being done ought to be enough to immediately revoke the FDA emergency use authorizations and pull the product from the shelves. The covid vaccines have been a complete and utter disaster at every level. The erosion of trust in the institutions that are suppo…

As soon as the EUAs were issued, the vaccine manufacturers shut down clinical trial followup and, in many cases, allowed vaccination of the control branch of the trials. Same for Paxlovid, where support for independent trials was refused.

I, probably with many others, didn't realize this could be the consequence of an EUA until you mentioned it here. Thank you.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by sokoloff »

ivraatiems wrote: post #65

I would just like us all to stop pretending that any of one's fear of COVID or skepticism of vaccines or distrust of whoever or whatever is about rational calculated risks. It's about how we feel, so let's talk about that. Look, everyone is scared of doing something until they're scared of not doing it. Everyone distrusts government until they trust it, and distrusts pharma until they trust it. Some people will wear…

Having some uncertainty around novel things seems reasonable. We were all uncertain around COVID and around new vaccines using a novel mechanism. People balanced those uncertainties differently. I took the course of asking people I generally trusted for their opinion and concluded that taking the vaccines (3 for me so far, plus a bout of naturally-acquired resistance via infection) was indicated. There were other doctors whom I knew before COVID was a thing who were recommending ivermectin. If that was your doctor, why wouldn't you believe them just like I believed the doctors that I had more association with?

My gut tells me "be skeptical of novel things, but balance that skepticism a bit by asking people whom you trust to have greater knowledge on the topic, ultimately making the best decision you can".

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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thrwy_918 wrote: post #62
robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

> Obamacare, which was forced upon us and costs us $2,400 PER MONTH, did not cover it Can you expand on this please? I find it extremely hard to understand how an ACA-compliant health care plan could "not cover" a hospital stay for myocarditis. Unless you're on a high-deductible plan and the entire stay was less than your deductible?

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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by chedca21 »

TehCorwiz wrote: post #58
anon291 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Chemo Therapy is literally poisoning you just enough to kill the cancer. The anti-arthritis medications I take cause terrible side effects. These options are still better than the underlying problems. Throwing out pithy feel good quotes doesn't capture the nuance of the line that doctors walk when trying to treat illnesses. "Do no harm" is the ideal. In reality it's to do less harm than the disease.

No post body was provided.

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Post by arein3 »

mberning wrote: post #39
arein3 wrote: post #25

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Doubling down on a choice that proved to be bad for them.

I don't understand why anyone would do that, perhaps only because they understood that it was a mistake and they want others to make the same mistake.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by jaywalk »

bluGill wrote: post #57
yucky wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The actual FDA approval letter[0] calls out in the document that all long term testing will not be completed until May 2027. Pointing that out has always gotten one branded as an antivaxx conspiracy nutter, rather than a person who might want to ensure that, well, long term testing data is actually in before injecting something into their bodies. [0] https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download

> long term testing data is actually in before injecting something into their bodies. You don't get a choice about COVID getting into your body, and that is far worse than whatever possible long term effects of the vaccine might be. There may be concerning long term effects, but keep persepcive, the worst possible case is still better than the known case of COVID. And of course long term studies on COVID are also sti…

> You don't get a choice about COVID getting into your body, and that is far worse than whatever possible long term effects of the vaccine might be.

You don't know that, because we don't know what the "long term effects of the vaccine" actually are.

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