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Amazon founder Jeff Bezos pledges to give away most of his wealth

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Re: Amazon founder Jeff Bezos pledges to give away most of his wealth

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I am with Jesus on this one: Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to t…

Counterpoint: A billionaire publicly giving away most of their wealth probably has a lot of social influence on _other_ billionaires.

Re: Amazon founder Jeff Bezos pledges to give away most of his wealth

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Probably, the words “give away” imply that all the wealth will, indeed, be given away. For instance, Chuck Feeney gave away billions until it he was left with only $2 million (or so it was reported).

As far as I know Bill Gates is still alive

So is Chuck Feeney.

Re: Amazon founder Jeff Bezos pledges to give away most of his wealth

#113
post #56
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He can give the shares away directly. Start a charitable foundation, give the shares to the foundation, and then the foundation can liquidate slowly (over decades if need be) to access capital.

Wouldn't the effect be basically the same, except the ownership changes? I can't imagine he'd have no involvement in such a foundation.

But the charity doesn’t need to liquidate as quickly as he does if he intends to give it away by the end of his life.

Re: Amazon founder Jeff Bezos pledges to give away most of his wealth

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post #56

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Wouldn't the effect be basically the same, except the ownership changes? I can't imagine he'd have no involvement in such a foundation.

But the charity doesn’t need to liquidate as quickly as he does if he intends to give it away by the end of his life.

One imagines that the endgame for him is probably some sort of charity to hand off to anyway.

Re: Amazon founder Jeff Bezos pledges to give away most of his wealth

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I totally agree. They also overlook that this wealth isn't entirely "earned" by the billionaire. After all, wage theft is the most common form of theft. For a comparison, an amazon warehouse employee making $15 an hour, would have to work 40hrs a week, 52 weeks a year for almost 4 million years to accumulate the wealth Jeff has. Personally, I don't think that's equitable.

Honest question: What is the alternative? We could apply a really high tax rate to billionaires, but that has its own set of problems and doesn't guarantee anything will change for the warehouse workers. Governments are much less efficient than private companies at spending; a lot of the taxes will go towards 'defense'; which government should tax global companies like Amazon?

Socialism/communism.

Re: Amazon founder Jeff Bezos pledges to give away most of his wealth

#116
post #58

I am with Jesus on this one: Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to t…

Key point here: before other people in order to be seen by them

We have a similar notion in Islam called Riyaa' (رياء), where not only will the person engaging in it not get any rewards in the Hereafter, but he would be actively punished for it.

Intention matters. It is possible that doing a major good deed in public is the right thing to do in order to get other people to do the same. It's all about setting your intentions right.

Re: Amazon founder Jeff Bezos pledges to give away most of his wealth

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Then your net worth is $110 and when you give away $10 your net worth goes down $10.

Gates pledged to give his wealth away before he dies, not immediately. And that's good - the world will be getting much more money than it'd get if Gates just gave away all his money the moment he announced it. > Then your net worth is $110 and when you give away $10 your net worth goes down $10. Gates' wealth fluctuates all the time. There was a time when he was rather low due to his donations - multiple 10s of bill…

I'm not saying it's bad to do what you're describing, I'm just saying when you actually donate money, not pledge, it decreases your net worth.

Re: Amazon founder Jeff Bezos pledges to give away most of his wealth

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Once the money is in the foundation or DAF, you can't get it back out again to use for personal gain, and you really can't use it to pay yourself. If you make a foundation, you can pay people to run it, and they can be friends of yours, even family members, but it's not like you can pay them ridiculous amounts of money compared to other foundations. That would be illegal. That's not to say some people don't try that,…

Perhaps some references from such dens of leftism like Bloomberg and the New York Times would help? https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/03/business/donor-advised-fu... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-10-03/rich-use-... Archived links: https://archive.ph/n1AQy https://archive.ph/EPyJ2 From the bloomberg article: "The Mercers and the Allenders are among a small but growing number of wealthy Americans who’ve di…

Yes, the money can sit in a DAF almost forever, but the original donation or any proceeds from the DAF can not be used for anything BUT charitable purposes. The money WILL eventually end up put to work for a charitable purpose.

A DAF *IS* a non-profit itself. It's bound legally to only disperse the funds to other charitable purposes.

So your entire complaint is, the donor gets the tax write off the day they donate it to a DAF, but the funds in the DAF might take a while before getting put to work for a charitable purpose?

Why is that a bad/terrible thing?

Re: Amazon founder Jeff Bezos pledges to give away most of his wealth

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post #68

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Once the money is in the foundation or DAF, you can't get it back out again to use for personal gain, and you really can't use it to pay yourself. If you make a foundation, you can pay people to run it, and they can be friends of yours, even family members, but it's not like you can pay them ridiculous amounts of money compared to other foundations. That would be illegal. That's not to say some people don't try that,…

"If you make a foundation, you can pay people to run it, and they can be friends of yours, even family members, but it's not like you can pay them ridiculous amounts of money compared to other foundations. That would be illegal." They can direct their foundations to give billions of dollars to corporations controlled by their friends, who use that money (after taking a cut, of course) to do whatever it is the foundat…

Please understand the law, once it's in a Foundation or DAF, you can't then send the money to corporations, only to charitable purposes. For a Foundation, it's more limited than that, as you have to spend the money to fulfill the foundations purpose for existing.

Re: Amazon founder Jeff Bezos pledges to give away most of his wealth

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Most of us don't have a problem with _private schools_, just with state money or charity being aimed at them. Private schools are fundamentally capitalistic - they serve their (generally wealthy) patrons, not society.

> Most of us don't have a problem with _private schools_, just with state money or charity being aimed at them. State money already goes to a dizzying array of non-profit and religious institutions. Anywhere from local homeless and addiction services to the University of Notre Dame. Why should primary and secondary schools be excluded? > Private schools are fundamentally capitalistic This is a meaningless statement.…

Yeah, I was clarifying a sentiment, not starting a debate about a complex topic. This was actually a policy debate topic back when I was in school, it's very tired ground -.-

I understand that you disagree, and you probably have thought-out reasons for that. You'll just have to understand that I do as well, and we can both skip the hours of wasted time where we try to convince each other (or an imaginary audience).

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