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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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No matter which way you try and slice it, there's always a human at the end of the decision. A human made the policies, a human made the layoff decision, a human decides to enforce policy.

Corporations often engage in a sort of 'responsibility laundering' Andrew in HR just does what the policy says, it's unfortunate but rules are rules, and the policy doesn't say this is any exception. Barbra the CEO who set the policy would have made an exception if it had been brought to her attention, but it wasn't. The policy was set serving the interests of the shareholders. Charles the shareholder is just an aver…

And thats why in UK almost 100 people burned alive in a skyscraper that was built in breach of all fire safety rules. It turns out noone is responsible- not the architect, builders, builder owner and management, or the fire safety inspector.

The only charges brought in relation to this incident, where against people making offensive jokes about it on social media.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10734735/Property-t...

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Why do you think the trump hate is irrational? What is the main rational points and reasons you like Trump? Or at least, think that he is being unfairly treated, since that does not require liking/agreeing with him.

I despise the man, but if you are shifting a long held position/opinion just because you don’t want to be in an opinion alignment with Donald Trump, that to me is irrational. I saw a lot of folks do this over the last six years. I found that really strange.

no that's not it, I have opinions as well, I didn't say I didn't have them. I wanted to hear a genuine opinion and tried to ask a stranger for it, is that so bad? For some people, maybe behind the hateful rhetoric some of them see and some of them do, there would be other reasons for their alignment, maybe good reasons which in actuality would have nothing to do with Trump, and could be debated as political issues on their own merit, and is it wrong to be curious about that?

The problem is that people immedietly put people into either against or with, and the whole rhetoric is so tribalistic since it always ends up being so emotional as well. Instead of talking about interesting issues, it's just these one dimensional soundbite opinions.

But what do you really mean? You think that hearing a person out without immedietly announcing my political stances is wrong? Could the issue be that you are tired of injustice and think of people as 'enablers' immedietly if they are not in opposition?

In the spirit of openness, I don't have problems admitting my politicals views, I never liked Trumps political agendas or the person himself. And I think what he did is not ok, and I'm bewildered that he hasn't been brought to court, or gone to jail. Doesn't mean I can't hear other people's opinions without shouting my alignemnts first, which seems unproductive tbh.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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> you sell the majority of your earthly possessions Not only those. You give up being able to easily meet your family, friends, ... your favorite spot for hanging out is gone and you are in a completely different society, with other ways how things are done. And then in this case with just two days in you are probably still in some temporary housing. For staying you need to find a new job, quickly and a new apartment…

> with other ways how things are done. When I immigrated to Canada, online ordering was not as ubiquitous as it is now. I needed to ask someone in the elevator where to buy a laundry basket. I had no idea . Come to think of, how on earth would you know? They do not give you a "handbook to Canadian living" when you land on an IM-1 visa. Bookkeeper. Lawyer. Handyman. Figure all that out, again, as if those weren't hard…

Oh but there is!

> Living & Working in Canada: A Survival Handbook (Living and Working)

https://www.amazon.com/Living-Working-Canada-Survival-Handbo...

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

Yeah I mean we’re all participating in dumping an industrial mess on the future.

I’ll take the pearl clutching more sincerely when your calls to “human decency” target your own moral failures that matter.

It’s not JUST you treating the planet like an open sewer, but you do it too. Low effort “thoughts and prayers” outputs are not good enough.

Oh no; snarky words!!! chucks another plastic bottle/phone/laptop in the garbage

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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post #352

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Even in technical discussions, you can observe arrogance and dismissal by commenters who are unacceptably underqualified in the subjects being discussed. This place has become a joke nowadays.

> This place has become a joke nowadays. I wouldn't go that far. The signal to noise ratio is worse than it used to be, but there's still nothing else like HN and there are still a lot of interesting technical conversations to observe or to be had. I continue to learn more here than anywhere else. I'll cope with putting in a bit more effort mentally filtering out the unproductive conversations.

>but there's still nothing else like HN

yes there is, lobste.rs is exactly HN but with a lot more selective membership and hence better comments.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

> I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. I think the best time to remind those kind of people of this, is when they get fucked over themselves at some point. Kind of telling them "Just shut up and cope doesn't feel so good when shit happens to you…

> I think the best time to remind those kind of people of this, is when they get fucked over themselves at some point.

Alternative POV: that's the worst time. At those moments, the person is unlikely to be very receptive. They'll see it as proof that you are a bitter, vengeful person not worth listening to. Yes, that would a bit hypocritical of them, but that's humanity for you. That hardens people, leading to exactly the kind of cold-hearted comments the original commenter was talking about. Also, you will have foregone an opportunity to show contrast with a better way of being around other people. Lead by example, and all that.

I suggest that the best time is a while after such an event, when they have recovered from it but it's still fresh in their memory. While they're feeling good about having received help, that's a good time to remind them that giving help also feels good. I've seen people's attitudes get turned around by that, vs. never by forsaking them in an hour of need.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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That's only true if you're working entirely or mostly synchronously, which might be an indicator of inherent anti-patterns in your work culture and processes, e.g., lots of meetings instead of written documentation.

I guess you don’t have any junior engineers?

This question seems to imply that junior engineers require lots of synchronous, in-person meetings and handholding.

Is there any proof that's truly the case? Or isn't that yet another one of those commonly accepted, yet rarely questioned truisms when it comes to - an often dysfunctional - work culture?

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Why would workers from Eastern Europe not have passports? "Eastern European" typically means EU-member states, with Ukraine being the exception even before the war (within reasonable distance, populous enough for recruiters to go to). EU-citizens don't need a residency permit, and they have access to the social system in Germany. They're often not informed about their rights and that should be improved, but "they end…

Ukraine isn’t the only eastern country that’s not in the EU. Belarus, Russia, Moldova, Turkey, and most of the former Yugoslavia (all but Croatia and Slovenia) are also in that group. Whether Turkey or Russia count as “Eastern Europe” is I suppose debatable, but the other examples are unambiguous.

Sure, but it's much easier to enter Germany from Ukraine (and currently also Moldova and Belarus, but they have a smaller population), as you won't need a visa and special work-permit, as you would from Russia, Serbia or Turkey, so it's more common to have Ukrainians working in Germany than Russians. EU-citizens have an easier time still, so they make up the lion's share.

The "employer provides accommodation" is common in farming (seasonal work) and some factories, e.g. industrial slaughterhouses are well known for that kind of setup, and for bad conditions.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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These scenarios don't just apply to being laid off. Another scenario which happens is that company ownership or control changes, and some key promises which were made to prospective employees get broken. I relocated to a big unpleasant city for a job early in my career, and the big promise from the hiring folks (all good people) was that "we hire at a low rate, but we give big raises fast". Their prime example was an…

I empathize with your story about being promised one thing and then not getting it.. But I think it's important to acknowledge that in most industries, you get a 2-5% raise maybe once a year, sometimes adjusted for cost of living if your employer is particularly good. Getting an 8% raise after 6 months is actually pretty good, relative to the rest of the working world, even though it's not what you were promised (so…

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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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post #181

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The headline seems a pretty clear example of the employee being treated poorly imo.

So 'not being laid off' is a necessary condition of not being treated poorly? The severance amount or any other services provided are irrelevant, because he was implicitly treated poorly by having contract terminated?

>The severance amount or any other services provided are irrelevant, because he was implicitly treated poorly by having contract terminated?

Yes, I'm glad you understand that after a months-long period of preparing to uproot his entire life, it is cruel to him to immediately go back on your word.

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