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Chrome 15 Is Now World’s Most Popular Browser (Version)

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Re: Chrome 15 Is Now World’s Most Popular Browser (Version)

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Post by bzbarsky »

jrockway wrote: post #68
riffraff wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

could you expand on why you think mozilla's engineering practices suck ? I have sometimes had a similar feeling, but I have too little competence to be a judge of that.

Because they are not as rigorous as Google's. At Google every commit is read and reviewed before it lands in source control. And they have an entire team dedicated to building the testing infrastructure, so they can do things like testing Flash against every possible input to see if there are any security holes. (There were.) Google is all about being super careful about every line of code. I don't know for a fact th…

> At Google every commit is read and reviewed before it lands > in source control.

Something Mozilla has been doing for 12 years.

> And they have an entire team dedicated to building the > testing infrastructure

As does every browser developer.

> so they can do things like testing Flash against every > possible input

http://www.squarefree.com/2010/07/14/fuzzing-talk-at-the-moz...

Jesse and company have been writing lots of other fuzzers that aren't public yet as well...

Seriously, what you described above (pre-checkin code review and fuzz-testing) are all standard industry practices for web browsers and have been for years.

Re: Chrome 15 Is Now World’s Most Popular Browser (Version)

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Post by ootachi »

jrockway wrote: post #68
riffraff wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

could you expand on why you think mozilla's engineering practices suck ? I have sometimes had a similar feeling, but I have too little competence to be a judge of that.

Because they are not as rigorous as Google's. At Google every commit is read and reviewed before it lands in source control. And they have an entire team dedicated to building the testing infrastructure, so they can do things like testing Flash against every possible input to see if there are any security holes. (There were.) Google is all about being super careful about every line of code. I don't know for a fact th…

You could have verified the assumption that Mozilla doesn't do code review in 5 minutes here: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/

What do you think the "r=" lines are?

Re: Chrome 15 Is Now World’s Most Popular Browser (Version)

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Post by DanielRibeiro »

Maro wrote: post #8

"If we consider all versions collectively, Internet Explorer continues to rule the world with around 40% usage share. Chrome and Firefox have 24.75% and 26.15% usage share respectively."

Another way to see this: Firefox and Chrome together rule over IE.

Made me smile.

Re: Chrome 15 Is Now World’s Most Popular Browser (Version)

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Post by asmosoinio »

g3orge wrote: post #12
asmosoinio wrote: post #3

Something that this highlights: I really like it how I usually have no idea of what version of Chrome I am running.

Chrome updates itself automatically, so you probably running the latest version.

Yes, that was my point exactly.

Re: Chrome 15 Is Now World’s Most Popular Browser (Version)

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Post by untog »

melling wrote: post #9
asmosoinio wrote: post #3

Something that this highlights: I really like it how I usually have no idea of what version of Chrome I am running.

I run both Firefox and Chrome and know which version I'm running. That would be today's builds. Grab the FF Nightly and Chrome Canary builds and help beta test. Close to half the Internet is getting upgraded every 6 weeks. More testers needed.

Can you run multiple versions side by side? Because I need to know if my site is compatible with the current version of Chrome, not the nightly. Would still like to be able to check out new stuff, though.

Re: Chrome 15 Is Now World’s Most Popular Browser (Version)

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Post by aodhan »

rplnt wrote: post #58

These stats are absolutely inaccurate. According to their FAQ: "We do not manipulate the data in any way. We do not collate it with any other information sources. No artificial weightings are used. We simply publish the data as we record it." Yet, 25% of their hits are recorded in the United States. Their recordings are not distributed in a same way users are. Data should be weighed up/down according to how much data…

Hello,

Thanks for your comment. I'm from StatCounter and would like to address your concerns.

Weighting stats means that the stats are only as good as the weighting methodology used. If the weighting data is inaccurate or out of date, then it renders the data completely incorrect. For these reasons, we choose not to weight our data in any way and instead we report is as we record - other commentators can, however, weight the data as they wish.

I'm not sure why you think we only have data from 4 countries. We have a very large global sample size of over 15 billion hits a month. You can view the country break-down here: http://gs.statcounter.com/faq#sample-size

Re: Chrome 15 Is Now World’s Most Popular Browser (Version)

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Post by rplnt »

aodhan wrote: post #76
rplnt wrote: post #58

These stats are absolutely inaccurate. According to their FAQ: "We do not manipulate the data in any way. We do not collate it with any other information sources. No artificial weightings are used. We simply publish the data as we record it." Yet, 25% of their hits are recorded in the United States. Their recordings are not distributed in a same way users are. Data should be weighed up/down according to how much data…

Hello, Thanks for your comment. I'm from StatCounter and would like to address your concerns. Weighting stats means that the stats are only as good as the weighting methodology used. If the weighting data is inaccurate or out of date, then it renders the data completely incorrect. For these reasons, we choose not to weight our data in any way and instead we report is as we record - other commentators can, however, we…

I understand that it is not really possible to make it perfect. And I also understand why you share raw data and it's probably the best way to do it. I just wouldn't make such strong conclusions from it.
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