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Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by gsatic »

mduggles wrote: post #66

I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

Budding Elons are not capable of doing anything else.

There are leaders who understand that and keep them on a tight leash, (cuz u can't not use their mindless ambition and over optimizing tendencies or ur competition will) and there are people who call themselves leaders who loose the leash.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by user_7832 »

autotune wrote: post #41
lm28469 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"My life sucked but I didn't say anything so you better shut up about your problems" I never understood people who think like that. It's no ok and people shouldn't feel ok about it

If he managed to get hired at META he will find work elsewhere. This is not worthy of a story suddenly just because it happened at a META company.

> This is not worthy of a story suddenly just because it happened at a META company.

You're right. This behavior by a company should be criticized regardless of whether or not they're large or famous.

...Though it appears that you don't think any such stories should exist?

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

#93

Post by scott_w »

slaw wrote: post #31
jbverschoor wrote: post #2

So he gets 4 months of pay, his signing bonus, and all if his shares vest immediately.

One person I know in Seattle worked for 2 months before layoff day and didn't get severance package. Probably 90 days is minimum working time.

He moved to Canada, not the USA.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by kuschkufan »

miroljub wrote: post #18
perfecthjrjth wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which country?

From the description, I would assume Germany, since that's precisely what happens here. But I can also imagine Germany is not the only state that allows its companies to act like this.

What precisely is happening in Germany? Please provide sources for your claims, otherwise it's hard to take them serious.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by mukesh610 »

erfgh wrote: post #83
mduggles wrote: post #66

I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

Did they promise him three months on the books if he gets fired?

There's a difference between getting fired and laid off

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by MonkeyClub »

hliyan wrote: post #81
mduggles wrote: post #66

I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

I'm inclined to agree. Giving a neutral, business sounding label to something like this, and normalising it doesn't make it right. As an interaction between two individuals, this would be immediately recognised as morally wrong, even if contractually right. Isn't morality supposed to scale?

Theoretically it is; practically corporations are implicitly immoral - they’re not human, they have no feelings, it’s only left to whatever (HR in this case) procedures are in place to ensure a positive outcome.

Such procedures tend to fail when you move fast and break things.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by largepeepee »

bluepizza wrote: post #85
Closi wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So why does their management - which should be able to read the writing on the wall, since that's part of their job - not issue a strict hiring freeze [...] Why do they go from hiring to firing in the blink of an eye? They did have a hiring freeze, and didn't really go from hiring to firing in the blink of an eye: * In May they froze hiring for engineers and low-level data scientists. * In July they announced that…

Doesn't have to inevitable, though. They literally have all the data.

That's the problem with just reading data reports at scale.

Hiring 30k people so recently then firing almost half of them the next year, even filtering a tiny quarter of a percent is going to create outliers who get affected with serious life changing events.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by kepler1 »

I mean, setting aside the emotional aspect of the issue for a moment and just being analytical, can't we also acknowledge that there is a type of observation bias here?

When you're talking about thousands of people getting hired a year, and a sudden event having to be done that affects 11,000 employees, you're bound to get a couple of very unusual and unfortunate cases.

If we looked at different windows of time, we would get even more people who fall into sympathetic categories. How many people were just laid off after just 2 weeks of being on the job / moving countries? How about a month ago? 2 months?

I wonder why the news story didn't look at an even larger window? But I guess they just are interested in (or heard about) the sensational case that draws your attention, huh? Or isn't the real story, "where's the person who got off his flight that morning and received an email that he was laid off?"

When you deal with human processes, and have to draw a line somewhere, certain cases will pop up as falling into very odd or unfortunate cracks. Hopefully the compensation and severance is designed to make up for these cases.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by autotune »

user_7832 wrote: post #92
autotune wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he managed to get hired at META he will find work elsewhere. This is not worthy of a story suddenly just because it happened at a META company.

> This is not worthy of a story suddenly just because it happened at a META company. You're right. This behavior by a company should be criticized regardless of whether or not they're large or famous. ...Though it appears that you don't think any such stories should exist?

>...Though it appears that you don't think any such stories should exist?

Where did you get that idea from?

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by danmur »

mduggles wrote: post #66

I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

Responsible companies will make these situations right even where the law doesn't specifically require it. Hope that's what will happen.
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