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FTX faces potential hack, sees mysterious outflows totaling more than $600M

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Re: FTX faces potential hack, sees mysterious outflows totaling more than $600M

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From what I understand, SBF described the product as a Ponzi scheme in so many words 6 months ago, yet somehow attracted more money than Enron. Now he's fled to Argentina, and people are are missing billions. Apparently he even had a custom client built that wouldn't trigger auditing. It never ceases to amaze that this story happens again and again.

This is not true. You should edit it. Reuters has it that SBF is still in Nassau.

Re: FTX faces potential hack, sees mysterious outflows totaling more than $600M

#862
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Do you have a link with more information?

Yes, we’ve tracked him here: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/LVKEB/history/20220525/1... They’re gonna get this fucker.

This did not turn out to be SBF’s jet.

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Because we're tired of a dumpster fire of scams and fraud being sold as the revolutionary future of all finance and money. We do not want that future. We don't even want the bitcoin present. We think it's bad and will cheer as it implodes. There was a time I thought something like bitcoin had a useful role to play in the world, never as a consumer/retail thing, but more a zero trust alternative to existing clearing h…

yes, but the same we can tell about equity invention...

people were misusing it, does it mean that it is bad?

LLC are a main factorfor growth in last 100 years because of incentives aligment. same with crypto.

any tool can be exploited by bad actors

does it mean it should not exsist or be hated?

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1. Because everyone touts "avoiding government regulations" - what most of us call "crime" - as one of crypto's primary reasons. 2. Because there are so many scams in the field. 3. Because crypto people have this unattractive combination of acting superior to others while literally never having read about or even thought deeply about economics. 4. Because after 13 years, not one Web3 project has emerged that has any…

any progress requires mistakes, crypto over internet only speed ups this process

people wont fall twice into same scam

people can learn faster thanks to it

in other indystries there are also bad actors

only different, crypto is faster which is good thing in good use cases

Re: FTX faces potential hack, sees mysterious outflows totaling more than $600M

#865

Regardless of whether you are pro- or anti- crypto, the collapse of FTX, SBF's bubble bursting in a rather extreme fashion, and now this hack are more nails in the coffin for mainstream support. I am no fan of crypto myself, but it's interesting to think what would have to happen for crypto to burnish its image. Would key people have to voluntarily form some sort of coordinating council and self-regulate? Would they…

One of the biggest issues with Bitcoin as others have pointed out is the catch-22 of self custody. Another huge issue is offshore unregulated exchanges like FTX. The resolution is actually regulation that allows financial institutions like Banks to hold Bitcoin. Services like this already exist with companies such as Casa (keys[dot]casa) where you have a multi-signature wallet where one of the keys is held by them. The problem with Casa is that they cannot be FDIC insured. A 3 of 5 signature wallet can create a sliding scale of security vs ownership with the most security and most insurance being offered by the Bank where they hold 3 of the 5 keys. This may be attractive for people who want to own a little bit but not take on the risk. Banks may even do the purchase for you as well (for a fee of course). For those who say this is just the current system with different steps, the difference is the possibility of taking on 100% of the risk/ownership yourself. Just the possibility of that shifts the power dynamic in the clients favor. Additionally, once institutions get legal clarity, they can also start running their own lightning nodes which generate revenue in the form of fees. Since they will hold large amount of BTC reserves, they can compete for more traffic. More traffic equals more fees. And no, I am not saying lightning is in a place right now where this would happen; but what is today isn't what will be tomorrow. This is just conjecture obviously. Once such things are in the hands of such institutions (as well as an approved spot ETF in the US) then the narrative on MSM will shift (dear public, it is safe to play in this space now). IMO I believe that is is the actual reason as to why there has not been any regulatory clarity on BTC.

Re: FTX faces potential hack, sees mysterious outflows totaling more than $600M

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1. Not all the insiders are very skilled, as we can see from these things blowing up in expected ways. 2. Even if you ARE a skilled insider, you may have no experience with laundering coin. 3. The biggest/best coin launderer was killed (tornado?) recently, so you may have to learn everything again. 4. You may be an expert with a gun to your head in some basement in God knows where, and trying to not be shot.

Source on this tornado comment? This entire story is just so wild that it’s hard to keep up.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornado_Cash

Re: FTX faces potential hack, sees mysterious outflows totaling more than $600M

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>Their established reputation The reason trustless decentralized crypto currencies were invented: So we don't have to rely on banking corporation's glowing reputations.

My point is that, amongst the majority populace, traditional banking establishments have immeasurably higher reputations than any entity associated with cryptocurrencies. Rightly or wrongly. The logic you're describing isn't incorrect, but I don't believe (and may well be wrong) it makes any difference to the point I made above. It's still early. Still in the "first they laugh at you" stage, just read HN comments.

We are past the "first they laugh at you" stage, and well into "then they fight you". Been watching this for over a decade, and didn't notice any major censorship until they understood their gig was up; Then, on very short notice, chats and forums flooded with FUD, censorship, all involved search terms got replaced heavily propagandized search results, and any alternative forums floodrd with disinfo. Then they went directly after individuals, with the media and courts; They seemed to never charge them for the stuff they smeared them with, but used anything that would stick, and anything that could actually be used as defense was not allowed. Even jury selection was messed with: If you knew anything about crypto, (if you could actually be consideted a peer) you were rejected. They smear crypto as drug money, while still shipping dollars to drug lords by MAC Flight. It is easy to see what they are doing, if you pay attention.

Re: FTX faces potential hack, sees mysterious outflows totaling more than $600M

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> life-changing generational wealth By that measure, the people who had their life savings in FTX (and Celsius and Luna before that) have certainly succeeded. Investing in total-market index funds is the single best strategy for the average investor. (In fact it's so good there's a proof! [1]) If you invested $10000 in the total US market in 1992 (30 years ago) and never touched it again, your inflation-adjusted bala…

Does that study account for stocks that have dropped out of the index? Re-balancing fees? What about LIRP/ZIRP?

I haven't read this study but the listed returns account for index rebalancing.

Re: FTX faces potential hack, sees mysterious outflows totaling more than $600M

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What's amusing about your comment is that exchanges are the one centralized part of crypto due to the interfce with fiat and they also tend to be where all of the fraud occurs.

To correct your comment a bit, fraud occurs much more on centralized human-run exchanges that do NOT handle fiat. Handling fiat => licenses => regulation => harder to do fraud and get away with it.

It did not seem to make it that much harder for FTX...

Re: FTX faces potential hack, sees mysterious outflows totaling more than $600M

#870
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So bank regulation worked in 2008, is was just a human failure? Communism works, it's just human failures? The measure of whether something works is whether it prevents human failure.

We had gotten rid of bank regulation, which caused 2008. https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/glass-steagall-... .

Pretty US centric view.

Banks in other countries were affected too, despite regulations.

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