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Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by eagsalazar2 »

twobitshifter wrote: post #103

I would think about your positioning some. You’re marketing this as having “less complexity” which first of all, isn’t going to appeal to people unless they’ve already used the other tools. But, if they had tried Trello, that’s far from complex, as you say it doesn’t have the features you think are needed, so you are more complex than that. It might be that you’re excellent at UX but that needs some comparative examp…

DFM may be a nice lens to look at positioning this through IMO. It's thoughtfully designed around the larger workflow which more archaic (jab jab) tools don't understand or ignore. Honestly I love Trello but wouldn't give it the time of day in your positioning. Just emphasizing the depth of expertise and broad perspective on daily/weekly individual/team workflow that made your tool possible will, without saying it, be positioning you agains the anti-pm tool genre of pm tools (like Trello). Combine that with some talk about "delightful UX" (snark snark, you suck Jira!) and "modern, robust infrastructure with insane performance" (lol Asana you also suck!). Just thinking out loud but seriously positioning against Asana, Jira, Shortcut, etc should be as easy as saying, in other words, "brainless, terrible user experience, and buggy" (all of which are true and everybody knows it).

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by bachmeier »

_trackno5 wrote: post #146

This looks great! I'm definitely trying it out. My only feedback for you is this: Charge more. You're undercutting yourself a lot by just charging $6 per user. At the very least double that to $12 and it would still be a great price for the value you're offering.

> My only feedback for you is this: Charge more.

This advice just won't die in these Show HN discussions. Please show some evidence to support your assertion.

> At the very least double that to $12

Every tool listed in the post costs way less than $12/month. Those are established companies, selling to large businesses, and they probably have more information on pricing than a random HN commenter.

A shallow "charge more" with nothing to support that advice does not add anything to these discussions.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by natovan »

tonypham wrote: post #115
natovan wrote: post #73

Ah yes, the glorious Atom character input delay. Still, pretty interesting. I also found that Trello lacks some features and became too bloated over the years. NightReader plugin works well for darkmode, that's a plus. I will give your thing a try

Thanks. The dark mode is in progress now. It will be available in about 2 weeks.

Great. Also, I think I found an issue - timer works slower than it should. I started it with windows timer for 20 minutes and when it stopped upbase timer still had 5 minutes to count down

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by Void_ »

oDot wrote: post #133

I am the author of https://Nestful.app (there's some overlap, but we do not seem to compete). I have built it after being through the same ordeal, and have come to the conclusion that the tool is not the main hurdle, especially at the level of Trello or Asana, which are very high quality tools. The lack of productivity comes from the methodology those tools implement. Their methodologies contributed a whole lot but b…

Your landing page doesn’t tell me much on mobile.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by postcoroner »

nisten wrote: post #173
postcoroner wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2GB of persistent storage 2 GB is a lot when you store plain json document data. > IndexedDb is the only option, it's slow on writes Only when you need a new transaction per write. Writing many documents in a single tx is not slow [1] > Safari are known to delete IndexedDB after 1 week This is not really a problem because if you have not used the app for one week, you can just replicate the data from the server aga…

I had not looked into RxDB before thank you. By any chance you know how much their Premium plugin with IndexedDB support costs, their price is not listed.

You could use the dexie.js based storage [1] as a start. It is fast enough for most use cases and comes for free.

[1] https://rxdb.info/rx-storage-dexie.html

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by nickbauman »

I'm sure this has some amazing features that really help with project and personal productivity mgmt compared to other systems.

But let me ask you a question. If I want to get your attention, which one of the following techniques will work best:

1) Write you a snailmail letter 2) Send you an email 3) Send you a text 4) Write it on a yellow post-it note on your refrigerator

The answer is 4. Because it's the most difficult to ignore and leverages our ancient human physiology. It's not an accident that Kent Beck (Author of "Extreme Programming: Embrace Change") used post-it notes stuck to a wall that had every story written on it that mattered to the team within eyesight of every developer.

The problem is that when we get together to put information into a Jira or a Trello or whatever, we're making THE TOOL happy. What matters is the state of the tool, not the state of the system you're working on.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by jacurtis »

tonypham wrote: post #131
twobitshifter wrote: post #103

I would think about your positioning some. You’re marketing this as having “less complexity” which first of all, isn’t going to appeal to people unless they’ve already used the other tools. But, if they had tried Trello, that’s far from complex, as you say it doesn’t have the features you think are needed, so you are more complex than that. It might be that you’re excellent at UX but that needs some comparative examp…

Thanks so much for your suggestions. And yes, you're right. Positioning is what we're trying to figure out at the moment. We'll consider your feedback very seriously. Thanks again for taking the time to give us some ideas. Cheers,

I really like the positioning of "a project management suite for solos and small teams". That to me is very appealing because these don't really exist very well. Most project management tools are designed for tons of people. You might be able to make them work for a solo or small team, but they tend to be focused on larger teams, because as mentioned previously, those tend to be the customers spending the most money and they ask for features and they get made. Before long every project management tool becomes a large team project management tool because of this.

Positioning yourself as specifically designed for solo and small team project management to me is an underserved market. When I looked at your landing page, I scrolled down quickly thinking "cool another PM tool... just what the world needs". Then when I saw the line 3/4 of the way down that said "Specifically designed for solos, small teams and businesses" that caused me to perk up and go back to the top and look at the page from a different perspective that I was much more interested in.

I see now looking at it again that you mention "personal productivity" which I now understand is your way of saying small and solos. But I just interpreted it as a PM tool that made you productive amongst your team. So it didn't really resonate to me.

Anyway, the product is actually interesting. I'm going to check it out. I've been wanting a PM tool for solos. There are a couple out there, but they all suck. The best solution up to this point for solo project management that I have found is just using a generic solution like Notion or Trello and adapting it to my needs. So this is worth a shot IMHO.

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