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Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by tonypham » Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 4:17 PM UTC

twobitshifter wrote: post #103

I would think about your positioning some. You’re marketing this as having “less complexity” which first of all, isn’t going to appeal to people unless they’ve already used the other tools. But, if they had tried Trello, that’s far from complex, as you say it doesn’t have the features you think are needed, so you are more complex than that. It might be that you’re excellent at UX but that needs some comparative examp…

Thanks so much for your suggestions. And yes, you're right. Positioning is what we're trying to figure out at the moment. We'll consider your feedback very seriously. Thanks again for taking the time to give us some ideas. Cheers,

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by postcoroner » Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 4:18 PM UTC

nisten wrote: post #107

philippz wrote: post #71

Does it have offline support? This is the one thing I'm missing the most about Notion, Miro, Google Calendar, and all of this - offline support. In German trains, I'm offline, on flights, I'm often offline; while traveling, I'm often offline. Offline capabilities are often neglected.

It's rare to see offline support in a web app for a few reasons: LocalStorage is easy to use but too limited at 50Mb. WebSQL got deprecated by FireFox because of secuirty issues years ago ( albeit is still somewhat supported in Chrome ). The FileSystem API looked promising, and then google killed it. IndexedDb is the only option, it's slow on writes, therefore requiring major hacks like absurd-sql to be performant. I…

> 2GB of persistent storage

2 GB is a lot when you store plain json document data.

> IndexedDb is the only option, it's slow on writes

Only when you need a new transaction per write. Writing many documents in a single tx is not slow [1]

> Safari are known to delete IndexedDB after 1 week

This is not really a problem because if you have not used the app for one week, you can just replicate the data from the server again.

> WebAssembly based sqlite is coming along nicely too

WebAssembly cannot access the IndexedDB API. In my tests, all the wrappers that use webassembly are slower on writes the just using IndexedDB via javascript.

The fastest you can go is by using a Memory-Synced wrapper around IndexedDB, like LokiJS does it or the RxDB memory plugin. [2]

[1] https://rxdb.info/slow-indexeddb.html

[2] https://rxdb.info/rx-storage-memory-synced.html

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by oDot » Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 4:19 PM UTC

I am the author of https://Nestful.app (there's some overlap, but we do not seem to compete). I have built it after being through the same ordeal, and have come to the conclusion that the tool is not the main hurdle, especially at the level of Trello or Asana, which are very high quality tools.

The lack of productivity comes from the methodology those tools implement. Their methodologies contributed a whole lot but by now we are used to that contribution, and so we must advance it.

Nestful implements a methodology I call "spontaneous productivity". In which there is no planning. Nestful will tell you what is the next thing you need to do, and that is it. Currently you have to know the methodology very well and "do it by hand", but I am very close for a smooth UX.

Either way, my point is that improving upon Trello or Asana is like honing a sharp sword. At some point, we need to switch to a gun.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by tonypham » Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 4:20 PM UTC

d_burfoot wrote: post #124

> Most of them are overly complicated and painful to use. Some others, like Trello, are too limited for my needs. I would argue this just means that, in this space, one size does not fit all. There are many productivity features, and everyone has a different set of features they want. If you're using a tool that is missing some features you want, you perceive it as limited. If you're using a tool that has a lot of fe…

Yeah, your point makes perfect sense, since people have different needs from each other.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by chrisacky » Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 4:23 PM UTC

tonypham wrote: post #64

7174n6 wrote: post #61

What calendars can you integrate? It's a no-go if it doesn't have Outlook calendar integration. App developers always assume everyone is OK using Google calendar. Functionality for only Google calendar alienates a large portion of the your prospective user pool who are "Google-Free".

Due to popular demand, Google Calendar will be our first integration. After that, we'll consider adding more Calendars, like Outlook.

Can you consider the improtance of also integrating with Color Coding too when you do these?

You seriously don't want to see my calendar each week. (Or maybe you do for understanding this pain point).. but having a personal planning tool understand the colors of my calendar events would be an immediate killer for me.

I've tested abotu 15 different tools, and in the end found that there wans't any personal tools available. The closest I found was Sunsama. I currently use "Sortd" though for the email integration.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by dboreham » Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 4:23 PM UTC

nisten wrote: post #107

philippz wrote: post #71

Does it have offline support? This is the one thing I'm missing the most about Notion, Miro, Google Calendar, and all of this - offline support. In German trains, I'm offline, on flights, I'm often offline; while traveling, I'm often offline. Offline capabilities are often neglected.

It's rare to see offline support in a web app for a few reasons: LocalStorage is easy to use but too limited at 50Mb. WebSQL got deprecated by FireFox because of secuirty issues years ago ( albeit is still somewhat supported in Chrome ). The FileSystem API looked promising, and then google killed it. IndexedDb is the only option, it's slow on writes, therefore requiring major hacks like absurd-sql to be performant. I…

> WebAssembly based sqlite is coming along nicely too.

It uses OPS which could in theory be used by other kinds of database besides SQL.

https://web.dev/file-system-access/#accessing-files-optimize...

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by brhsagain » Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 4:23 PM UTC

Is migration from Linear supported? Looks awesome but I don’t want to manually copy over dozens of open tickets.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by dsr_ » Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 4:24 PM UTC

tonypham wrote: post #26

rrgok wrote: post #13

Would be great to have a self-hosted version for the lifetime plan

Sorry, we don't have a self-hosted version now.

We'll pay once, we'll pay yearly, we'll pay by the seat... but it has to be self-hosted, because we can't trust you not to spill our secrets.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by boomskats » Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 4:25 PM UTC

Finally, a tool that isn't Plan[0] with a daily planner that lets me schedule my TODO list into my calendar. I've been waiting for years.

Will definitely check this out OP.

[0]: https://getplan.co

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by zulban » Sun, Nov 13, 2022, 4:25 PM UTC

Great approach - build first for yourself but with others in mind.

Don't listen to the flood of critics online. Instead find trusted friends and colleagues who have your best interests at heart when they give feedback. Best of luck.