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Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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post #177

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"The embargos weren't out of spite" hahaha. Let me laugh more: HAHAHHAHAHA. You are the kind of guy who believes that American sanctions against Venezuela are "well-meaning", that the bombing of civilian populations are "shameful errors", that lying about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was "an honest mistake", that the invasion of Afghanistan was done to "combat terrorism" and that the bombing of Syriah was to "…

USSR did fairly well in the 50s, 60s and 70s though. Most of the really bad things (e.g. mass starvation) happened years before the cold war started. American companies like Ford invested into building factories in the Soviet Union in the 20s and 30s hardly a sign of an economic embargo. So you’re implying that US should cooperate with autocratic regimes and empower their rulers to further oppress the people living t…

"So you’re implying that US should cooperate with autocratic regimes and empower their rulers to further oppress the people living there? Obviously they tried that as well and I’m sure you’d criticize it as much. So which one is the right option?"

Communist governments are not "autocratic regimes that oppress the people living there". That's propaganda. They are socialist governments where the proletariat controls the State through its Vanguard, which is the Communist Party. If there is a fact that distinguish socialist countries is the desire to provide a high standard of living to their citizens, with a special emphasis in education, health care, and erradicating poverty. The USSR, Cuba, China, and all socialist countries were extremely successful in that, so no, they don't "oppress" their people, the people actually govern the State, and not the capitalists.

Comunist states are very sucessful, that's why the West needs to invest so much in wars, propaganda, coup attempts and economic warfare to try to destroy them.

Think for a millisecond, if socialist states weren't sucessful, why the US would spend so much effort in trying to destroy them? It doesn't make sense, simply let them fail, after all, communism doesn't work, right? Why would someone dedicate any effort to destroy something that is already doomed? The answer is simple: communism DOES work, IT IS sucessful, and if let alone would quickly become unstopable. That's why the West has always tried to destroy it, because they don't want the world to realize that a viable option to capitalism exists.

Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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It's disingenuous to pretend all of the USSR criticism in this thread is in good faith. Yes, multiple countries can be bad, but clearly one of them is getting way more airtime than the others.

A failed government that oversaw complete collapse of its economy, population and and empire is likely to get a lot of criticism, even if it didn’t commit a huge number of murders, invasions and atrocities.

And a government that colludes internationally to sabotage democratically elected foreign governments, that has committed the worst war time atrocities the world has ever seen, governed by an undemocratic process, where its own citizens can't afford life saving medicine, should get way more criticism than it does.

Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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Dude saying less than 250000 civilians died is not the defense you think it is

When someone is whatabouting the WWII atomic attacks in order to pretend that the Holodomor is normal and fine, then yes, it's exactly the defense I think it is. There's an order of magnitude (or two, depending on which sources you take seriously) of difference in casualties. Further, one was an act of war on military targets, and the other doesn't even have that "justification," whether you consider it a justificati…

There's no "whataboutism" going on here. You just had your hipocrisy pointed out and didn't like it.

Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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post #177

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USSR did fairly well in the 50s, 60s and 70s though. Most of the really bad things (e.g. mass starvation) happened years before the cold war started. American companies like Ford invested into building factories in the Soviet Union in the 20s and 30s hardly a sign of an economic embargo. So you’re implying that US should cooperate with autocratic regimes and empower their rulers to further oppress the people living t…

"So you’re implying that US should cooperate with autocratic regimes and empower their rulers to further oppress the people living there? Obviously they tried that as well and I’m sure you’d criticize it as much. So which one is the right option?" Communist governments are not "autocratic regimes that oppress the people living there". That's propaganda. They are socialist governments where the proletariat controls th…

> communism DOES work

No it doesn’t. Communism destroyed itself, at the end western powers had very little to do with it directly.

Honestly I can’t tell if your whole post is sarcasm. Tanks go brr, amirite comrade?

Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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Anti-Soviet propaganda is reaching levels that I thought were not possible.

I also found the timing of the post a bit odd. Given the recent events I would think twice before publishing or linking to anything that could be interpreted as propaganda in either direction. I am writing this as a 100% pro-Ukraine guy.

Putin != Soviet

Russia != Soviet

Russians != Soviet

This story != anti soviet

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