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Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by osigurdson »

mhb wrote: post #79
osigurdson wrote: post #57

One thing I've always wanted in a tool like this is the ability to map out probabilities, i.e., we do A, then B but after that we do either C,D or E. Each one on these has an associated probability (C: 0.4, D: 0.5, E: 0.1) and an associated estimate (C: 10 +- 5 normal, D: 12 +- 3 uniform, E: 3 +-1 normal). The UI would look like a graph and like ms project it could include resource levelling in order to show bottlene…

And the probabilities could be a result of an intra-team prediction market. Half-joking.

I know, I know, it sounds very complicated. The actual end goal however is to show quantitatively why estimating too far out is generally unreliable as well as the associated combinatorial explosion of paths. The idea is basically to illustrate the actual reality of planning.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by croes »

wyclif wrote: post #97

Heads up, under "What makes Upbase different", #1: No more switching back and forth between a dozens of apps. There's a typo there; you just need to delete the "of" and edit "dozens" to the singular "dozen."

Or remove the "a".

Less editing.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by twobitshifter »

I would think about your positioning some.

You’re marketing this as having “less complexity” which first of all, isn’t going to appeal to people unless they’ve already used the other tools. But, if they had tried Trello, that’s far from complex, as you say it doesn’t have the features you think are needed, so you are more complex than that. It might be that you’re excellent at UX but that needs some comparative examples to see how you have differentiated things.

Instead, it might make sense to go more with all the features you need, nothing you don’t angle. Note that I don’t think this really differentiates too much from clickup which has personal productivity options, and as you get bigger you know customers are going to ask for more and more features, because that’s what they do, and we also know that business accounts are the money makers in this market. It also runs counter to building an “all in one” tool. If you hope to replace chat, docs, collaboration, calendar, and journaling, that’s a big change for people who stepped in just looking for task management.

I did see that your prices are lower so you might try positioning based on lower prices than your competition, if you have carefully chosen those price points.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by tonypham »

dmje wrote: post #83

I'm excited to try this. I've done the same dance with PM tools over the years and had similar experiences to OP. I've always ended up back on Teamwork which is amazing but they do a hard sell and the price per head is prohibitive for people in my situation (2 person agency, no interest in "10 seat pricing"). Will be good to check it out!

That's why a lot of these tools don't have a Solo plan. Because they are built for teams, not for individuals.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by texasbigdata »

duckmysick wrote: post #72
cliffwarden wrote: post #52

Very polished, I'm impressed! It seems like everyone ends up recreating a PM or todo tool at some point. It makes me wonder if there could be a world where we have a standard protocol/api and then anyone can bring their own preferred interface?

I feel it would be like SQL with multiple dialects. Some small set would be interoperable, but eventually things end up diverging.

Note taking has this behavior, see Obsidian, Roam, Notion etc and markup import/export. It sort of works but not really.

We need ANSI pomodoros clearly :)

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by nisten »

philippz wrote: post #71

Does it have offline support? This is the one thing I'm missing the most about Notion, Miro, Google Calendar, and all of this - offline support. In German trains, I'm offline, on flights, I'm often offline; while traveling, I'm often offline. Offline capabilities are often neglected.

It's rare to see offline support in a web app for a few reasons:

LocalStorage is easy to use but too limited at 50Mb.

WebSQL got deprecated by FireFox because of secuirty issues years ago ( albeit is still somewhat supported in Chrome ).

The FileSystem API looked promising, and then google killed it.

IndexedDb is the only option, it's slow on writes, therefore requiring major hacks like absurd-sql to be performant. It's also old, written before ES6, needs lots of boilerplate, but it does actually work. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/IndexedDB_A...

Even then however there is a limit of 2GB of persistent storage it can use, which is workable but still:

Some versions of Safari are known to delete IndexedDB after 1 week because of power savings. Chrome does not allow it unless you either accept notifications from that domain and/or pass a certain lighthouse score (these reasons are anectodal and not well-documented).

So yeah it's a mess, and a bit sad considering it will take years to ratify a better standard for this, but not impossible to do. Also annoying to know that internally your browser is actually using sqlite under-the-hood anyway.

Web based game engines (i.e. XREngine) are able to get by with IndexedDB i think, and apps like https://github.com/actualbudget/actual created by the author of absurd-sql are good codebases to follow as example.

WebAssembly based sqlite is coming along nicely too. https://sqlite.org/wasm/doc/tip/about.md.

I am personally working on an offline-capable ML product using pyscript, svelte & indexedDb and it's been a painful ammount of fun so far.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by tonypham »

clarkmcc wrote: post #80

FYI, ClickUp does have real-time chat which is I think the only feature you note on the compare page that Upbase has that ClickUp does not. Also, this might not be a popular opinion but this sales pitch just doesn’t do it for me, “At first, it might seem great that you can do everything with [ClickUp], but after a while, you realize you don’t need that many features.” It would be nice to see a comparison with Linear.

Thanks for your feedback. At the moment, ClickUp does have real-time chat in lists, not global chat, so you can't send one-on-one messages to someone yet. For some people that love simplicity and don't need the many features ClickUp has to offer, it's overwhelming. We have a lot of users switching from ClickUp for simplicity alone.

Re: Show HN: I built my own PM tool after trying Trello, Asana, ClickUp, etc.

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Post by tonypham »

digitalengineer wrote: post #82

It's look very good and just what I need. I'm using a trial version right now, but can't seem to invite guests? (If I purchase a license I would like to invite clients). Edit: Below the 'read more' I found the answer "Invite guests/clients into lists to collaborate (upcoming)"

Thanks for trying the app. Yes, the guests/clients feature is in progress now, and will be available in the upcoming weeks.
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