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Report: Iran Hacked, Hijacked U.S. Drone

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Re: Report: Iran Hacked, Hijacked U.S. Drone

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Post by johngalt »

grecy wrote: post #21

Lets flip the tables here and imagine Iran is flying surveillance drones over mainland USA, gathering photos and who knows what else. Would it be unreasonable to think the USA would try with everything they've got to shoot them down and/or capture them? Who would be the bad guy in that scenario? I find it amusing nobody has thought to question what right the US have to fly a surveillance drone over Iran to spy on the…

Everyone spys on everyone. We do it with drones and satellites, they do it with people.

Re: Report: Iran Hacked, Hijacked U.S. Drone

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Post by nvk »

Meh, seems very simple to me (after some research).

Allow me to speculate.

- American Drone was destroyed with a hack tentative

- Iran built a replica for internal advertising of nationalism and for international press

- America won't comment and say it was a replica because it needs all the uneducated "Right" to believe Iran has some "power" so there is a reason to invade.

Come on haven't you guys seeing this movie before??

(updated for format)

Re: Report: Iran Hacked, Hijacked U.S. Drone

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Post by johno215 »

cameldrv wrote: post #57
johno215 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, the GPS signal the military uses is supposed to be encrypted and un-spoofable. I wonder if Iran cracked it. If so, can the US reset the key easily? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_signals#Precision_code

The P code is on a different frequency, so the Iranians could have just jammed the P code, and then presumably the drone would rely on the the unencrypted C/A code which they spoofed.

Sigh..

I hope it was not that insecure.

Re: Report: Iran Hacked, Hijacked U.S. Drone

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Post by blhack »

jrockway wrote: post #58
blhack wrote: post #10

(Prelude edit: A few people seem to be missing the point I'm making here. I know quite a lot about the predator, and a bit about the Global Hawk. I do not know much about the Sentinel. The jab about building a drone with parts on my kitchen table is a joke, meant to illustrate that this is either an absurd level of incompetence on the part of Lockheed Martin [not likely] or the article is incorrect, the latter being…

What becomes really really scary about this is the idea that they're relying solely on GPS to fly. GPS is pretty damn precise, especially once you add local ionosphere corrections (via WAAS or similar) and get to use the military signal. It's certainly good enough for navigating an airplane, because it's more accurate than what was in use before GPS (VOR). Edit: relevant diagram: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Acc…

It may be accurate, but it can be spoofed.

Barely related, but VOR is freaking amazingly cool. Makes flying a lot of fun :)

Re: Report: Iran Hacked, Hijacked U.S. Drone

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Post by marshray »

daenz wrote: post #13

Just throwing this out there, maybe the drone was intended to be caught as part of another kind of intelligence gathering operation. It's easy to blame this on incompetence, but the other angle is that the drone being caught was made to look like an accident in order to collect intelligence (gps, audio, etc) from wherever the Iranians took it, and this data could be offloaded to someone that could gain access to the…

Or they could have its storage seeded with misinformation, or information that tricks those who obtain it into leaking information of their own. For example: http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/4/2537647/darpa-fake-documen...

But it seems more likely that they really didn't intend to lose the thing in one piece like that.

Re: Report: Iran Hacked, Hijacked U.S. Drone

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Post by guelo »

johngalt wrote: post #61
grecy wrote: post #21

Lets flip the tables here and imagine Iran is flying surveillance drones over mainland USA, gathering photos and who knows what else. Would it be unreasonable to think the USA would try with everything they've got to shoot them down and/or capture them? Who would be the bad guy in that scenario? I find it amusing nobody has thought to question what right the US have to fly a surveillance drone over Iran to spy on the…

Everyone spys on everyone. We do it with drones and satellites, they do it with people.

Doesn't mean it's right. In fact it's fucking wrong. The CIA should be abolished. And this saber-rattling against a country that poses no risk to us is disgusting and wrong. The US is the most dangerous country in the world and must be stopped.

Re: Report: Iran Hacked, Hijacked U.S. Drone

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Post by presidentender »

In the early to mid 2000s, the US rendered military aid to Georgia, in both training and equipment. This included unmanned aircraft.

In 2008, Russia invaded Georgia, and presumably captured some of those aircraft.

No security system should rely on the secrecy of its function, but in practice, many do. If any agency in the world can break the security of US UAVs, it'd be Russia.

Remind me again how the Russians and Iranians get along?

Re: Report: Iran Hacked, Hijacked U.S. Drone

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Post by jrockway »

blhack wrote: post #65
jrockway wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What becomes really really scary about this is the idea that they're relying solely on GPS to fly. GPS is pretty damn precise, especially once you add local ionosphere corrections (via WAAS or similar) and get to use the military signal. It's certainly good enough for navigating an airplane, because it's more accurate than what was in use before GPS (VOR). Edit: relevant diagram: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Acc…

It may be accurate, but it can be spoofed. Barely related, but VOR is freaking amazingly cool. Makes flying a lot of fun :)

Yeah. I'm not a pilot but am a bit nostalgic for "the old way". A modern autopilot system that's linked to GPS will let you type in waypoints and then it will just fly to them, keeping the heading adjusted to account for the wind data it gets from a satellite weather uplink.

What happened to airmanship? :)

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