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Report: Iran Hacked, Hijacked U.S. Drone

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Re: Report: Iran Hacked, Hijacked U.S. Drone

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post #10

(Prelude edit: A few people seem to be missing the point I'm making here. I know quite a lot about the predator, and a bit about the Global Hawk. I do not know much about the Sentinel. The jab about building a drone with parts on my kitchen table is a joke, meant to illustrate that this is either an absurd level of incompetence on the part of Lockheed Martin [not likely] or the article is incorrect, the latter being…

I won't comment on the UAV in the article, but you'd have to be a pretty wealthy person and have some really weird stuff on your kitchen table to have what is on the global hawk. I won't comment on specifics, but there is nothing simple about its gps and inertial navigation systems. Your categorization of UAV's was fairly simplistic and there are many more categories than two. The Global Hawk is a much more expensive…

I think you missed part of what I was saying.

Of course I don't have the requisite materials or fabrication equipment to build the type of inertial navigation equipment used in missiles.

My point was that, if the article is to be believed, and RQ-170 relies completely on GPS and gyros, then I have the stuff needed to build its guidance system.

(The point here being that of course I don't, and of course it's likely more complicated than a GPS, so the article is probably incorrect)

Re: Report: Iran Hacked, Hijacked U.S. Drone

#32
post #3

Relying on GPS or any external source of navigational data is risky. I cannot believe the vehicle didn't have working inertial navigation that would clearly indicate the GPS was off by quite a lot. Simple rule - if you have no contact with home and your GPS says you are a couple hundred miles away from where your inertial navigation, your compass and all visual cues (if cruise missiles have it, so should this bird) t…

Oh good. I can make drones self destruct with a gps spoofer.

Re: Report: Iran Hacked, Hijacked U.S. Drone

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I don't get it. With a budget of millions for these UAVs was it so hard to fit the thing with an IRS unit, or even an older INS unit to augment the GPS? Then one could add a single if statement checking if the GPS location has diverged greatly from where it was in the last NMEA statement?

What am I missing here???

Re: Report: Iran Hacked, Hijacked U.S. Drone

#35
post #7

This page 2 comment is making me not believe what I am reading. Data stream is not encrypted? Can anyone confirm? The US military has reportedly been aware of vulnerabilities with pirating unencrypted drone data streams since the Bosnia campaign in the mid-1990s. Top US officials said in 2009 that they were working to encrypt all drone data streams in Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan – after finding militant laptops l…

I thought that the "unencrypted data streams" was video channel, not the control channel. Is that not true?

Re: Report: Iran Hacked, Hijacked U.S. Drone

#37
post #6

One American analyst ridiculed Iran’s capability, telling Defense News that the loss was “like dropping a Ferrari into an ox-cart technology culture.” An ox-cart technology culture that is allied with China and Russia. I hope this kind of hubris is counterbalanced by more realistic attitudes in the defense world.

Wasn't OXCART the code word for the 60's spy plane program that operated the U-2 and SR-71? Hmmm... http://www.paperlessarchives.com/a12.html

Excellent catch, and linkage. Thanks.

Re: Report: Iran Hacked, Hijacked U.S. Drone

#38
It is suprising that many americans, for the lack of a better term, seem to be "butthurt" over this event.

Look at this news on reddit for example, first it was ridiculed, and speculation was high that it might have been a crash or accident, that the Iranians had luck, and that it in fact never happened, just propaganda. Then the Iranians showed it, and many comments said "its old tech any way". Why the butthurtness?

And now, "the takeover wasnt so high tech anyway".

Re: Report: Iran Hacked, Hijacked U.S. Drone

#39
post #13

Just throwing this out there, maybe the drone was intended to be caught as part of another kind of intelligence gathering operation. It's easy to blame this on incompetence, but the other angle is that the drone being caught was made to look like an accident in order to collect intelligence (gps, audio, etc) from wherever the Iranians took it, and this data could be offloaded to someone that could gain access to the…

That does not seem plausible. But there is the possibility that this is a clever ploy to give erroneous technology to Russian and China...

Re: Report: Iran Hacked, Hijacked U.S. Drone

#40
post #6

One American analyst ridiculed Iran’s capability, telling Defense News that the loss was “like dropping a Ferrari into an ox-cart technology culture.” An ox-cart technology culture that is allied with China and Russia. I hope this kind of hubris is counterbalanced by more realistic attitudes in the defense world.

Indeed. It seems to me that even if Iran fails to get much useful out of it, there'll be buyers queuing up for it ready to pay anything.
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