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Re: Is algae the new kale?

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Post by dennis_jeeves1 »

ben_w wrote: post #299
dennis_jeeves1 wrote: post #267

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Very true, but you know idealism, denial and delusion is a thing. Many will literally die rather than come to terms with the 'fact' that every human (without exception) needs some animal products.

Why are you so certain? To the best of my knowledge, the last time I consumed any meat (which is what you're agreeing with to begin, even though you later say the much more general "animal products" which includes milk), was on a 2015 trip to Kenya, where the cook somehow randomised the ingredients in everyone's sandwiches (I asked for a "cheese and pesto" sandwich, my cheese was switched with someone else's chicken)…

>Why are you so certain?

I feel obliged respond. I'll try and put a short useful response. ( It becomes a little tiring to give an elaborate, well thought out response when one repeatedly encounters what one sees as irrationality).

- I have _never_ see a vegan thrive (health wise) in the long run.

- Many 'honest' vegans admit occasionally binge eat animal products - in your case cheese.

- May 'vegans' lie outright

- There are lot of ex-vegans out there, some of them who were truly committed. Search for them on the web and you will find them.

- https://www.beyondveg.com/ has information from people who probably tried being vegans from the sixties. Grandpa may have some wisdom that you may not be aware of.

Re: Is algae the new kale?

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Post by ben_w »

dennis_jeeves1 wrote: post #301
ben_w wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you so certain? To the best of my knowledge, the last time I consumed any meat (which is what you're agreeing with to begin, even though you later say the much more general "animal products" which includes milk), was on a 2015 trip to Kenya, where the cook somehow randomised the ingredients in everyone's sandwiches (I asked for a "cheese and pesto" sandwich, my cheese was switched with someone else's chicken)…

>Why are you so certain? I feel obliged respond. I'll try and put a short useful response. ( It becomes a little tiring to give an elaborate, well thought out response when one repeatedly encounters what one sees as irrationality). - I have _never_ see a vegan thrive (health wise) in the long run. - Many 'honest' vegans admit occasionally binge eat animal products - in your case cheese. - May 'vegans' lie outright -…

> Many 'honest' vegans admit occasionally binge eat animal products - in your case cheese.

Don't call me a vegan. I'm vegetarian. That means choosing no meat, no more, no less.

It does rather look like you are unfamiliar with the difference, both from this response and your previous comment replying specifically to meat.

> Grandpa may have some wisdom that you may not be aware of.

I'm older than I think you think I am. And both my grandfathers died before I was born.

Re: Is algae the new kale?

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Post by Apocryphon »

Gordonjcp wrote: post #293
Apocryphon wrote: post #134

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I've wondered if the move to get rid of livestock to reduce wasteful resource consumption can just be focused on getting rid of beef. Poultry cultivation is far less water intensive than raising cattle. If everyone just ate chicken and pork that would be a significant improvement. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/beef-uses-ten-...

Maybe you just need to accept that if you live in a desert you shouldn't eat things that require a lot of water. Cattle farming is absolutely not causing water shortages for most of the world.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jul/02/agricult...

https://globalnews.ca/news/5803929/amazon-rainforest-cattle-...

Re: Is algae the new kale?

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Post by Gordonjcp »

Apocryphon wrote: post #303
Gordonjcp wrote: post #293

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Maybe you just need to accept that if you live in a desert you shouldn't eat things that require a lot of water. Cattle farming is absolutely not causing water shortages for most of the world.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jul/02/agricult... https://globalnews.ca/news/5803929/amazon-rainforest-cattle-...

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Re: Is algae the new kale?

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Post by uxcolumbo »

dennis_jeeves1 wrote: post #301
ben_w wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you so certain? To the best of my knowledge, the last time I consumed any meat (which is what you're agreeing with to begin, even though you later say the much more general "animal products" which includes milk), was on a 2015 trip to Kenya, where the cook somehow randomised the ingredients in everyone's sandwiches (I asked for a "cheese and pesto" sandwich, my cheese was switched with someone else's chicken)…

>Why are you so certain? I feel obliged respond. I'll try and put a short useful response. ( It becomes a little tiring to give an elaborate, well thought out response when one repeatedly encounters what one sees as irrationality). - I have _never_ see a vegan thrive (health wise) in the long run. - Many 'honest' vegans admit occasionally binge eat animal products - in your case cheese. - May 'vegans' lie outright -…

And here are some counter points:

Oldest known vegan - Dr Wareham (heart surgeon) - 104 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellsworth_Wareham

Athletes thriving on a plant-based diet: https://gamechangersmovie.com/

100s of physicians recommending a plant based diet: https://www.pcrm.org/

Vegan doesn't mean automatically being healthy. Vegan is mainly about being cruelty free as much as possible, as killing and exploiting animals is cruel.

By adopting a plant based whole food diet you can be healthy and at the same time reduce your carbon footprint and damage to our biosphere.

Just don't eat Pringles and drink Coke all day (technically being vegan).

Re: Is algae the new kale?

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Post by ispo »

RajT88 wrote: post #300
ispo wrote: post #274

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We do and the flavours are ridiculously good, but the price of the material is prohibitive, often around 90 € per kg.

Are you buying the kelp? That's the only way I can get that to add up. The folks on youtube all seem to just harvest it wild.

Yes, it reaches me from Portugal and Spain, several algae I tried, all delicious and truly bringing my sauces to the next level.

Edit: currently I am in a landlocked region.

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Post by version_five »

dmcgee wrote: post #266
version_five wrote: post #218

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You can get that from eating whale skin, much tastier and healthier

Oh man, I ate whale skin in Greenland. It was hairy and tasted like a decomposing car tire. You must have had the good kind.

> tasted like a decomposing car tire

Theres probably lots of cheese that you could say the same about that is well enjoyed. That said, I don't know if the whale skin I had could be called "good" to my taste. It was beluga I think, from the Canadian arctic. What was striking though was how sour it was and the strong taste of ascorbic acid. With a very chewy texture.

Re: Is algae the new kale?

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Post by dennis_jeeves1 »

ben_w wrote: post #302
dennis_jeeves1 wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why are you so certain? I feel obliged respond. I'll try and put a short useful response. ( It becomes a little tiring to give an elaborate, well thought out response when one repeatedly encounters what one sees as irrationality). - I have _never_ see a vegan thrive (health wise) in the long run. - Many 'honest' vegans admit occasionally binge eat animal products - in your case cheese. - May 'vegans' lie outright -…

> Many 'honest' vegans admit occasionally binge eat animal products - in your case cheese. Don't call me a vegan. I'm vegetarian. That means choosing no meat, no more, no less. It does rather look like you are unfamiliar with the difference, both from this response and your previous comment replying specifically to meat . > Grandpa may have some wisdom that you may not be aware of. I'm older than I think you think I…

>Don't call me a vegan. I'm vegetarian. That means choosing no meat, no more, no less.

Partially my fault in the way I phrased my sentence. I was referring to vegans in general. Not you in particular. ( buddy, where's the benefit of doubt, if you assumed I did not know the difference?)

>I'm older than I think you think I am. And both my grandfathers died before I was born.

If you occasionally eat animal products you will survive(or even do well), Again my point is lost, my point being that there is more than a little to to be learnt from people who have attempted veganism for decades.

The delivery of my message may not be perfect or even crude, but the bare minimum information is there, including the link I put, where you will end up spending days if you are not familiar with aspects of nutrition. Look past me - and I'm sure if you are skeptical enough of any conventional nutritional wisdom, you will learn a _lot_ .

Re: Is algae the new kale?

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Post by dennis_jeeves1 »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #305
dennis_jeeves1 wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why are you so certain? I feel obliged respond. I'll try and put a short useful response. ( It becomes a little tiring to give an elaborate, well thought out response when one repeatedly encounters what one sees as irrationality). - I have _never_ see a vegan thrive (health wise) in the long run. - Many 'honest' vegans admit occasionally binge eat animal products - in your case cheese. - May 'vegans' lie outright -…

And here are some counter points: Oldest known vegan - Dr Wareham (heart surgeon) - 104 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellsworth_Wareham Athletes thriving on a plant-based diet: https://gamechangersmovie.com/ 100s of physicians recommending a plant based diet: https://www.pcrm.org/ Vegan doesn't mean automatically being healthy. Vegan is mainly about being cruelty free as much as possible, as killing and exploi…

All of that data is suspect. About 2 decades back I used to believe that that at lest some people can thrive without any animal products.

If you thought that a large number of experts (docs in this case) collectively cannot get it wrong , you are I have a different judgment to our fellow simians....

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Post by scythe »

dundarious wrote: post #268
scythe wrote: post #52

Algae has what I sometimes call the "hempseed problem": it tastes awful. Hempseeds are highly productive, nutritious, and smash almost every other whole plant food on the crucial protein:fiber ratio, coming in at 12:1. The only problem is, you have to eat them. Japan pretty much identified every kind of seaweed that you can eat without puking a thousand years ago and the list is not long. A tablespoon of spirulina is…

I eat shelled hemp seeds pretty much every day at this point, but even when first trying them I thought they tasted pretty innocuous, and very easily overpowered by the rest of the dish. I put it in quinoa salads and butternut squash stews all the time (at the point of consumption, I never cook them into the stew). Have never had anyone tell me there was a rank flavor in the mix either.

Maybe my mistake was trying to cook them into the stew. But you have to eat quite a bit to get a significant amount of protein — about six tablespoons for 20 grams. So if you just put a spoonful into a salad I'm sure it's fine, but it's not functioning as a source of macronutrients. For comparison, poppyseeds are, in principle, a great source of calcium, but you can't use them that way.
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