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Nope. There’s nothing new in the way COVID deaths are reported, and in fact making the distinction you’re demanding is what would be the break from standard practice. Death certificates have for decades had contributory causes listed with the main one being the most proximate cause. For instance if someone has severe hypertension and then has a heart attack both are usually listed but the heart attack is the cause of…
It should then be easy for you to cite a source for "Over one million Americans are dead of Covid"
The Ethical Principles of Public Health
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#42FYI -- Hillsdale College does not have a public health program and is not an accredited school of public health (SPH). Their document on "Ethical Principles of Public Health" feels more political than oriented around public health. There are people at actual SPHs that work on public health ethics, it might be worth focusing on those instead of amplifying whatever this is.
This college is in my state - it's a rightwing political think tank masquerading as a university.
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It should then be easy for you to cite a source for "Over one million Americans are dead of Covid"
Sure. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/from-our-experts/u-s-officially-...
Not sure how to respond, those are deaths w/ covid, which depends entirely on the jurisdiction from where they are counted. PCR test within 60 days of death, good enough to call it a covid death.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/from-our-experts/u-s-officially-...
Not sure how to respond, those are deaths w/ covid, which depends entirely on the jurisdiction from where they are counted. PCR test within 60 days of death, good enough to call it a covid death.
You can't seriously still be going down this line of argument.
There are at least a million Americans, and many more globally, who are dead when they otherwise would not have been. Denying this is insanity.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure how to respond, those are deaths w/ covid, which depends entirely on the jurisdiction from where they are counted. PCR test within 60 days of death, good enough to call it a covid death.
You can't seriously still be going down this line of argument. There are at least a million Americans, and many more globally, who are dead when they otherwise would not have been. Denying this is insanity.
The average age of covid death is ~80, you're saying all those folks would still be alive if not for covid?
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#46I'm missing the arguments for why any of these guidelines are supposedly ethical. The implication of these are that a handful of individual's rights to refuse e.g. vaccines is appropriately balanced against a potentially huge loss of life and societal disruption. I guess it depends on what system of ethics one goes by. If one believes that you should NEVER force someone to do something against their will and accept t…
This is getting close to the core inflection point. The question is, where do these ethics systems come from? Why do some people value collectivism over individualism and vice versa? These beliefs seem to be deeply held and very hard to change.
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#47It seems to me that these sorts of principles are incomplete if they don't engage with the fact that quarantines are a well established part of the social contract of all nations that I'm aware of. Basically, there's a balance between avoiding coercion and holding people accountable for the externalities of irresponsible behavior. A reasonable tradeoff to me seems to be that people do not have to take precautions lik…
You are totally missing the other side's responsibility with regards to the social contract. Part of the social contract is the responsible use of that coercive power to actually provide social benefit. Capricious misuse of power is not aligned with the social contract. So, for example, it would be unethical to coerce vaccination when vaccination does not stop the spread. It also would be unethical to coerce vaccinat…
I signed no contract. There's no social contract. Its literally a figment of your imagination.
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#48It seems to me that these sorts of principles are incomplete if they don't engage with the fact that quarantines are a well established part of the social contract of all nations that I'm aware of. Basically, there's a balance between avoiding coercion and holding people accountable for the externalities of irresponsible behavior. A reasonable tradeoff to me seems to be that people do not have to take precautions lik…
> A reasonable tradeoff to me seems to be that people do not have to take precautions like vaccination and masking but if so they can be restricted from public society
If you have this low a bar to holding people accountable for negative externalities, no one would be allowed outside.
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#49In the spirit of 8. Public health scientists and practitioners should avoid conflicts-of-interest, and any unavoidable conflicts-of-interest must be clearly stated. "Hillsdale [College] is a conservative Christian institution with ties to the Trump administration. And the scholars behind the academy — Scott Atlas, Jay Bhattacharya, and Martin Kulldorff — are connected to right-wing dark money attacking public health…
It was trump's vaccine. Some notable democrats fliped on the issue as soon as power was transfered.
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No, its important to be accurate about what numbers are representing. OP is misquoting an important statistic and for whatever reason you see fit to back that up with no cited sources and unverifiable anecdotes. My anecdote is that Covid did not kill anyone I know.
Nope. There’s nothing new in the way COVID deaths are reported, and in fact making the distinction you’re demanding is what would be the break from standard practice. Death certificates have for decades had contributory causes listed with the main one being the most proximate cause. For instance if someone has severe hypertension and then has a heart attack both are usually listed but the heart attack is the cause of…
The leading cause of death in Canada is unknown.