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Do not rug on me: Zero-dimensional Scam Detection

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Re: Do not rug on me: Zero-dimensional Scam Detection

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post #85

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97% of the things available in my vanguard or Charles Schwab aren't scams. It's preposterous to call a marketplace where less then 3% of the offerings are "legit" a safe market to use.

This misconception is exactly why I made my comment. If you go to Uniswap right now you won't have access to any of these tokens. You are just about as safe as using Charles Schwab.

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Re: Do not rug on me: Zero-dimensional Scam Detection

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What constitutes a scam? I'm about as much of an NFT hater as you can be. But people spend money on lots of "dumb" stuff. So why is an NFT a scam if Pokemon cards aren't? Both of them are artificially scarce. Both of them are mainly about buying cute pictures. And at least for a lot of the buyers, it's about speculating the price will go up in the future.

NFTs are litterally the anti pokemon cards. Pokemon cards were sold for kids to have fun, and in the end they actually are valuable, whereas NFTs were marketed as valuable, and in the end kids make fun of people buying them.

They're only valuable due to artificial scarcity, just like NFTs. You could always copy the cards (just like you could 'right click save' an NFT image), although you wouldn't be able to play in a tournament with them, and The Pokemon Company could print more official cards of the most popular cards, but they don't because they want to fuel this craze because it makes them stupid amounts of money.

And the vast number of collectors sure as hell aren't playing games with the valuable cards they collected the past few years. Logan Paul didn't spend $5 million on a Pokemon card just so he had it to play in a Pokemon tournament, especially since it's just an illustrator promo card anyway, doesn't even have a function in the game (at least as far as I can tell, I don't follow this closely, I did have a Magic The Gathering phase, though, which was the OG TCG and also has its own craziness).

Re: Do not rug on me: Zero-dimensional Scam Detection

#113
post #36

It's important to note that Uniswap is decentralized and anyone can "list" anything for trading without asking anyone or going through any process. This means there are thousands of tokens, probably millions in the future, available to trade. Users do not see these tokens unless they actively search them out. Uniswap uses the TokenList standard ( https://tokenlists.org/ ) and by default users only see tokens such as…

How are you evaluating which tokens are legitimate here?

Re: Do not rug on me: Zero-dimensional Scam Detection

#114
post #36

It's important to note that Uniswap is decentralized and anyone can "list" anything for trading without asking anyone or going through any process. This means there are thousands of tokens, probably millions in the future, available to trade. Users do not see these tokens unless they actively search them out. Uniswap uses the TokenList standard ( https://tokenlists.org/ ) and by default users only see tokens such as…

>There are many lists created by reputable players such as Aave and Gemini which cover the entire gamut of projects users want to trade without exposing end users to scam tokens. Reputable how? like ftx a couple weeks ago? Gemini holds an F rating by the BBB and a massive amount of complaints on trust pilot.[1][2] This is their marketing message "Put your crypto to work. With Gemini Earn, you can receive up to 8.05%…

Not sure what gemini has to do with this, but most people who actually think crypto is interesting will tell you that _any_ centralized exchange (to include coinbase, gemini, the NYSE, even the ones in the future that haven’t been made yet) is against the ethos of crypto. Uniswap is an entirely different class of thing.

The only scams possible in the _logic_ of Uniswap are those which would be considered bugs in the code.

Obviously, as this article points out — that’s not a panacea for _all_ scams. But I am surprised that people on a forum about hacking can’t see why eliminating an entire class of bugs could be useful.

Re: Do not rug on me: Zero-dimensional Scam Detection

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

97% of the things available in my vanguard or Charles Schwab aren't scams. It's preposterous to call a marketplace where less then 3% of the offerings are "legit" a safe market to use.

What percentage of the internet consists of pornography and scams? I’m sure the AOL walled garden had much higher quality content than the internet at large.

I agree. This is the problem that Google has. A big chunk of the websites are seo spam, fake support scams, and other nasty or untuneful sites. And Google has to find the few useful ones. Some people ask to not use pagerank[1] and just show all the results in random order, but in that case you would get a irrelevant list.

[1] or whatever they are using now

Re: Do not rug on me: Zero-dimensional Scam Detection

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>There are many lists created by reputable players such as Aave and Gemini which cover the entire gamut of projects users want to trade without exposing end users to scam tokens. Reputable how? like ftx a couple weeks ago? Gemini holds an F rating by the BBB and a massive amount of complaints on trust pilot.[1][2] This is their marketing message "Put your crypto to work. With Gemini Earn, you can receive up to 8.05%…

BBB is an organization meant to scam companies. They provide no value or merit.

> an organization meant to scam…They provide no value or merit.

I hope this irony was intended!

Re: Do not rug on me: Zero-dimensional Scam Detection

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post #102

This title should be changed. It is heavily editorialized. It’s not what the paper is about. It is just causing the typical crypto haters to get out their pitch forks. This article is about fraud detection. The conversation should really be about the machine learning techniques used, and the actual conclusion, which is using those techniques, ” This implies that new malicious tokens can be detected prior to the malic…

The title is in the conclusion of the paper.

Yes, they built a fraud detection system... and with it discovered that 97.7% of tokens were rug pulls

"Based on this theoretical foundation, we provided a methodology to find rug pulls that had already been executed. Not surprisingly, we found that more than the 97,7% of the tokens labelled were rug pulls."

Re: Do not rug on me: Zero-dimensional Scam Detection

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post #71
post #45

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do you dispute the OP title claim?

Any system that is open to the public will (sadly) have to deal with bad actors. 85% of all email is spam[1]. But that's not a value judgment on the technology--Humanity can still get value from email. Sturgeon's law says 90% of everything is crap. If you deal with other humans, you need a way to sift through that crap. In the case of email, that means use a spam filter. In the case of crypto, it means don't buy shit…

Judging by some of the kneejerky comments in this thread, we should definitely shut down email.

Re: Do not rug on me: Zero-dimensional Scam Detection

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There are many lists created by reputable players such as Aave and Gemini which cover the entire gamut of projects users want to trade without exposing end users to scam tokens. Reputable how? like ftx a couple weeks ago? Gemini holds an F rating by the BBB and a massive amount of complaints on trust pilot.[1][2] This is their marketing message "Put your crypto to work. With Gemini Earn, you can receive up to 8.05%…

BBB is an organization meant to scam companies. They provide no value or merit.

You're mostly right about the "A+" ratings--businesses that pay can get their ratings cleaned up--but I'd certainly take an "F" rating as a datapoint.

Re: Do not rug on me: Zero-dimensional Scam Detection

#120
post #36

It's important to note that Uniswap is decentralized and anyone can "list" anything for trading without asking anyone or going through any process. This means there are thousands of tokens, probably millions in the future, available to trade. Users do not see these tokens unless they actively search them out. Uniswap uses the TokenList standard ( https://tokenlists.org/ ) and by default users only see tokens such as…

I get your point, and it's worth pointing out. It's just neutral infrastructure. Trying to think of an analogy, I thought... "It would be like saying 98% of transactions in $USD are scams, that wouldn't mean $USD are unsafe to use." But once i said that in my head... it would definitely say something about a traditional currency if 98% of transactions were scams. (I know uniswap isn't a currency, that just came out o…

It's important to note that this paper is discussing listings and not transactions/volume. Almost no one used or bought these tokens and 99% of Uniswap's volume is normal safe things like ETH, DAI, etc.

If 98% of Uniswap trades were scams then I definitely wouldn't be here discussing it.

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