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FTX faces potential hack, sees mysterious outflows totaling more than $600M

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Re: FTX faces potential hack, sees mysterious outflows totaling more than $600M

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They’re making Madoff look good. He semi-voluntarily* turned himself in when the jig was up, and the govt eventually recovered about 2/3rd of the money FTX seems like it’s still trying to steal funds *Madoff confessed to his family, said he would turn himself in, and asked for 24 hours to get affairs in order. Family refused, called FBI immediately

Madoff recovery is 88.35%. See: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-... . Many of Madoff's victims exaggerated their loses. If they invested $1MM at a claimed return of 15% for 6 years, they would claim they lost $2MM, not the $1MM principal. (I just hope our Government doesn't try to bail out crypto speculators!)

Thanks! Wow even better than I recalled

To be fair there’s something to that idea. Market returns about 7% on average. Over six years that would be an opportunity cost of 50%.

But, as you say there’s got to be some loss for choosing to put one’s money with a con artist

I doubt there will be a crypto bailout as it seemingly didn’t get big enough to blow up anything outside itself. It also had an anti public relations campaign for years

Re: FTX faces potential hack, sees mysterious outflows totaling more than $600M

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They’re making Madoff look good. He semi-voluntarily* turned himself in when the jig was up, and the govt eventually recovered about 2/3rd of the money FTX seems like it’s still trying to steal funds *Madoff confessed to his family, said he would turn himself in, and asked for 24 hours to get affairs in order. Family refused, called FBI immediately

Heck, they are making Mark Karpelès look good.

https://twitter.com/MagicalTux/status/1591295272621314049

Re: FTX faces potential hack, sees mysterious outflows totaling more than $600M

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They’re making Madoff look good. He semi-voluntarily* turned himself in when the jig was up, and the govt eventually recovered about 2/3rd of the money FTX seems like it’s still trying to steal funds *Madoff confessed to his family, said he would turn himself in, and asked for 24 hours to get affairs in order. Family refused, called FBI immediately

Madoff recovery is 88.35%. See: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-... . Many of Madoff's victims exaggerated their loses. If they invested $1MM at a claimed return of 15% for 6 years, they would claim they lost $2MM, not the $1MM principal. (I just hope our Government doesn't try to bail out crypto speculators!)

They also recovered money by clawing back returns that investors made in the years leading up to the scandal finale.

Re: FTX faces potential hack, sees mysterious outflows totaling more than $600M

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They’re making Madoff look good. He semi-voluntarily* turned himself in when the jig was up, and the govt eventually recovered about 2/3rd of the money FTX seems like it’s still trying to steal funds *Madoff confessed to his family, said he would turn himself in, and asked for 24 hours to get affairs in order. Family refused, called FBI immediately

Perhaps there's some effective altruist argument for why this is best for the world. Trying to make the Ponzi lesson stick or something.

Re: FTX faces potential hack, sees mysterious outflows totaling more than $600M

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Knowing little about how ftx works... Is the article talking about customer accounts at FTX being drained? Or accounts belonging to FTX being drained?

FTX is a centralized entity, just like PayPal is. There is no such difference. As a centralized company, they are supposed to hold all customer funds in their own bank/wallet/whatever account(s).

Re: FTX faces potential hack, sees mysterious outflows totaling more than $600M

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Madoff recovery is 88.35%. See: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-... . Many of Madoff's victims exaggerated their loses. If they invested $1MM at a claimed return of 15% for 6 years, they would claim they lost $2MM, not the $1MM principal. (I just hope our Government doesn't try to bail out crypto speculators!)

Thanks! Wow even better than I recalled To be fair there’s something to that idea. Market returns about 7% on average. Over six years that would be an opportunity cost of 50%. But, as you say there’s got to be some loss for choosing to put one’s money with a con artist I doubt there will be a crypto bailout as it seemingly didn’t get big enough to blow up anything outside itself. It also had an anti public relations…

I've been around the block a few times, and I've had people over the years tell me about an "investment" or a fund, or their brother-in-law who could get me 15% or more on my money. And every time I've been smart enough to say "no thanks."

I must admit, I don't have a lot of sympathy for Madoff's victims. Especially the charities! If I donate money to a charity, I'd expect the money to go to help people or to further their cause -- not to be invested in a high-risk ponzi scheme.

Re: FTX faces potential hack, sees mysterious outflows totaling more than $600M

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> Investigating abnormalities with wallet movements related to consolidation of ftx balances across exchanges - unclear facts as other movements not clear. Will share more info as soon as we have it. From FTX's general counsel[1], retweeted by FTX_Official. So that indicates it's not being sold off legitimately under some sort of liquidation proceedings. It could be insiders or it could be hackers. [1] https://twitte…

> Reports on crypto Twitter are that this is a hack It's really unfortunate to get "hacked" with such bad timing. You steal customer money and file for bankruptcy but now the bad hackers, probably from the Bahamas as well, take whatever is left and cash out. Oh no! /s But it's alright, SBF said he's sorry.

In unrelated news SBF just found he had a bunch of crypto in his personal wallet. Totally not at all the pile of crypto that was last seen in the FTX wallet.
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