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Well Known Short Seller Claims SBF Is a Fraud Weeks Ago

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Re: Well Known Short Seller Claims SBF Is a Fraud Weeks Ago

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So is everyone assuming the remaining big players in crypto are straight, or crooked as question marks?

The safer bet given the history of exchanges, scam coins, and NFT is that they are crooked. This is why Coinbase sent out an email this morning pleading with people not to withdraw because they aren't crooked.

Coinbase charges enough fees and has held crypto for me through 2 crashes, I think they're fine. Although 95% of my coins are in wallets that I control so I don't trust them with that much.

Re: Well Known Short Seller Claims SBF Is a Fraud Weeks Ago

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Not trying to defend SBF or FTX but honestly wasn't that impressed with this critic either. His criticism seems to break down to: 1) Look at him, he's ugly 2) He doesn't have the proper lineage of insider mentors to be allowed to be a billionaire 3) We don't have the full story on the original arbitrage mixed in with some political pandering 4) The compliance officer was sketchy 4 seems to be the only valid point. 3…

As an entrepreneur in finance for 10 years, I think the guy's perspective is actually pretty understandable. When you've been in finance for a while and have learned how many footguns and ways to go to jail there are to get major regulatory projects licensed and functional, you start to think of projects like "launch a bond offering and get it rated" or "launch an exchange" as so incredibly complex as to be impossible. There's a certain cynicism that comes up in the industry where people think something just can't be done because they know it's so complex to do right.

Now I actually think that although this take is realistic, it is actually overly cynical and actually underestimates the possibility of disruption in finance. In actuality, not knowing the complexity allows a young entrepreneur to develop a simplistic plan and pitch it with conviction to VCs who also don't know any better. The mistake experienced people are making is that their experience tells them it is only reasonable to do a thing "correctly" or "scalably" when in fact the incorrect, illegal, unscalable way wins you valuable proof points. And with enough proof points and follow-on VC rounds the simplistic plan can mature enough to actually become functional.

In the specific case of SBF and FTX, I do think the critic's seemingly superficial cynicism was actually both well-founded and ultimately correct. Launching an exchange functionally, legally and scalably was in fact too much for the inexperienced leadership of the business. They tried really hard to make a business model that worked and scaled fast. But in doing so, they ended up with effectively designing a circular reference (trading their own token) which made a lot of money for a while, but ended up crashing their business. I think they were well-intentioned, but it is true that more experienced leadership would not have tried the self-referential growth strategies FTX/Alameda engaged in. And in retrospect the critic's spidey sense was right; the pace of growth of FTX was bizarrely unsustainable and likely pointed to an underlying system that didn't make sense.

Re: Well Known Short Seller Claims SBF Is a Fraud Weeks Ago

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post #6

Not trying to defend SBF or FTX but honestly wasn't that impressed with this critic either. His criticism seems to break down to: 1) Look at him, he's ugly 2) He doesn't have the proper lineage of insider mentors to be allowed to be a billionaire 3) We don't have the full story on the original arbitrage mixed in with some political pandering 4) The compliance officer was sketchy 4 seems to be the only valid point. 3…

Those were not his primary complaints. Yes, he took some shots at his appearance, but let’s be honest. The financial and VC world has a stick up it’s butt, but this nobody (Sam Bankman-Fried) shows up to interviews and meetings in a three day old t-shirt and shorts and can’t keep his leg still and talks like he’s been up for 24 hours straight on Red Bull. It’s strange. Why does that work for him, who has nothing to explain it away, and no one else? Where did he come from? Where did he get all his money? Why were major VC funds fawning over him?

The short seller also mentions that this is only “3%” of what he has and is working with an investigative journalist to blow this up. And that was weeks ago, and they were probably working on it before that.

It’s not about credentials. It’s that you have 20 year olds out of nowhere suddenly managing tens of billions of dollars. Like the guy says, it doesn’t make any sense.

In interviews, FTX never gave reasons of why they moved to the Bahamas from Hong Kong. He really doesn’t ever explain anything.

Re: Well Known Short Seller Claims SBF Is a Fraud Weeks Ago

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How many people trusted SBF_FTX because of his celebrity supporters, his appearances with politicians, his Stanford professor parents?

"I'm a big advocate for Sam because he has 2 parents that are compliance lawyers. If there's ever a place I can be where I'm not going to get in trouble, it's gonna be FTX" https://twitter.com/Guruleaks1/status/1591086077489844224

We outsourced trust to people in his proximity and because he was one of the main crypto advisors to congress.

Re: Well Known Short Seller Claims SBF Is a Fraud Weeks Ago

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post #6

Not trying to defend SBF or FTX but honestly wasn't that impressed with this critic either. His criticism seems to break down to: 1) Look at him, he's ugly 2) He doesn't have the proper lineage of insider mentors to be allowed to be a billionaire 3) We don't have the full story on the original arbitrage mixed in with some political pandering 4) The compliance officer was sketchy 4 seems to be the only valid point. 3…

I agree, this video is a nothing-burger. There are much better people who have been detailed in both their criticisms of SBF and the types of things he has been just exposed of doing for years. Crypto Critics' Corner and Molly White are the first two off the top of my head.

Molly White's most recent article on the collapse was posted on HN just yesterday.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33547102

Re: Well Known Short Seller Claims SBF Is a Fraud Weeks Ago

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post #19

So is everyone assuming the remaining big players in crypto are straight, or crooked as question marks?

The safer bet given the history of exchanges, scam coins, and NFT is that they are crooked. This is why Coinbase sent out an email this morning pleading with people not to withdraw because they aren't crooked.

Somehow Coinbase's email didn't include what they include in their SEC filings: “the crypto assets we hold in custody on behalf of our customers could be subject to bankruptcy proceedings and such customers could be treated as our general unsecured creditors"

Re: Well Known Short Seller Claims SBF Is a Fraud Weeks Ago

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post #25

How many people trusted SBF_FTX because of his celebrity supporters, his appearances with politicians, his Stanford professor parents? "I'm a big advocate for Sam because he has 2 parents that are compliance lawyers. If there's ever a place I can be where I'm not going to get in trouble, it's gonna be FTX" https://twitter.com/Guruleaks1/status/1591086077489844224 We outsourced trust to people in his proximity and bec…

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