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Indian ISPs: We already give govt full access to web traffic

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Re: Indian ISPs: We already give govt full access to web traffic

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post #102

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People who run the origin servers often use a CDN to do TLS termination because they are too incompetent to do it themselves. Not having to enable TLS is a major value-add for certain types and you'll see this advertised prominently by every CDN

There is another value add - being able to use self-signed certs and therefore not have to worry about renewals. Last I checked (~12 months ago), there still isn't a good story for doing automated SSL renewals if your application is completely containerized.

Terminating TLS for an HTTP app running on localhost is trivial. Something like this:

echo "example.com \n reverse_proxy localhost:8000" > Caddyfile; docker run caddy --net host -v $PWD:/config caddy run

It's slightly more complicated if you need redundancy, but not by much.

Re: Indian ISPs: We already give govt full access to web traffic

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post #76

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Do you honestly believe the US government doesn't have the same access to cloudflare data within the states?

> the US government doesn't have the same access to cloudflare data within the states? Yes. There is almost certainly access. But it’s partial and adversarial, not automatic as in India.

A reminder that whatever else we might want to say about the comparative safeguards of the US and Indian "lawful intercept" systems, access to Indian servers for the US IC is fully automatic. You can't improve your resilience against the NSA by offshoring your data; offshore is where the NSA's authority is at its zenith.

Re: Indian ISPs: We already give govt full access to web traffic

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post #59

People really underestimate the full scale of this, specially today with so many sites using cloudflare without strict ssl reverse proxy connection, Cloudflare Endpoints in India are INSIDE ISP networks [1], what this means is the ISP (and therefore by extension the government) sees EVERYTHING going out of cloudflare servers over http in plaintext. Worse ISP will also modify that content so you get the "This site has…

It’s unethical of CloudFlare et al to offer such a feature.

Why are we even blaming Cloudflare? Aren't web developers the ones who haven't enabled strict SSL? Cloudflare should recommend the user use stick SSL but calling it unethical is quite a bit of a stretch... Sometimes it is useful like hosting node js app or docker container app without using a reverse proxy like Nginx.
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