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Re: Musk’s first email to Twitter staff ends remote work

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Post by musicale »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #832
philliphaydon wrote: post #829

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 2020 the company I worked for did ~25% temp salary reduction so they could feel safe that they could keep everyone employed and such. 3 months after everyone did it they said "thank you thank you we are so happy we don't need to let anyone go". 2 months later they laid off ~50% of the development team and people throughout the company... At the end of the year they said no bonuses, followed by an email saying desp…

Employees need to get everything in writing as part of a contract/agreement. If a company won't put it in writing, then you should assume they are lying.

They usually lie in writing as well.

Since suing your employer is a career-ending move, contracts don't make much of a difference either.

Re: Musk’s first email to Twitter staff ends remote work

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Post by musicale »

eps wrote: post #956
philliphaydon wrote: post #829

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 2020 the company I worked for did ~25% temp salary reduction so they could feel safe that they could keep everyone employed and such. 3 months after everyone did it they said "thank you thank you we are so happy we don't need to let anyone go". 2 months later they laid off ~50% of the development team and people throughout the company... At the end of the year they said no bonuses, followed by an email saying desp…

> they made a profit That's literally the raison d'etre of commercial companies. So, yeah, most will do what it takes to remain profitable.

> That's literally the raison d'etre of commercial companies

Maybe for some financial companies, perhaps crypto or high-frequency trading firms, I might imagine.

But for most companies, the reason they exist is that they provide some product or service to customers. For example, FedEx delivers packages. Apple makes smartphones and runs its App Store. Netflix provides video streaming services and makes its own programs. Etc.. Without such a product or service, there is little reason for any of these companies to exist.

I've yet to find a company mission statement which is "make as much of a profit as possible." There probably is one somewhere, but they certainly aren't the norm.

If we look at Netflix, for example, we see

"We promise our customers stellar service, our suppliers a valuable partner, our investors the prospects of sustained profitable growth, and our employees the allure of huge impact."

In this statement they acknowledge multiple stakeholders: customers, suppliers, investors, and employees. A company without customers is either a startup or a pyramid scheme.

Re: Musk’s first email to Twitter staff ends remote work

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Post by nebula8804 »

danans wrote: post #801
dragonwriter wrote: post #745

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> He also wants to recreate the place per his own vision, so it makes sense to get rid of as many people carrying the previous culture as you can and then start hiring as necessary with the kind of people you want So, he's destroying all of the institutional knowledge, the brand image, and the existing business relationships, while pivoting to a radically different market. He wanted a fresh startup to sink $44 billio…

> So, he's destroying all of the institutional knowledge, the brand image, and the existing business relationships, while pivoting to a radically different market. Sounds about right. Also, I don't think he values the institutional knowledge much, and thinks he can replace it quickly, because he thinks Twitter employees were idiots and he makes reusable space rockets something something. Now he has to find a way out…

I have followed Tesla closely over the years and this is par for the course of how he operates(similar things have happened at SpaceX but I know more Tesla specifics).

The issue is that in the case of Tesla, automakers have tried a lot of stupid things Musk have done and failed beforehand. Musk ignores those prior learnings and repeats all the mistakes that incumbents made decades ago.

What has saved his butt time and time again is the fact that he has been able to conjure up enough financial runway to re-learn the mistakes and recover and the fact that sometimes mistakes made by others in the past are no longer mistakes given today's environment and end up becoming competitive advantages. So he wins some and he loses some.

One example of him losing is when he attempted to automate all the assembly in the factory in 2017. He messed up and hired the wrong people to design the body of the Model 3 and it ended up too expensive to manufacture. In response he attempted to use robots in assembly to cut costs. The technology for what he wanted to do was still not ready just like it was not ready in the 70s when GM tried to do the same thing. Robots are Blind, one armed, and stupid. They cannot handle finesse when dealing with a noisy real world.

On the other hand, GM and others were adamant to design their cooling systems with multiple loops because that was the way things were done and it was a reliable way to accomplish the task. As a result this thinking was ingrained in all the OEMs. They have cooling departments that defend their approaches and it causes stagnation. Musk's approach of repeating all the things that OEMs already did led to him discarding beliefs that no longer are the best way of doing things and led a much better and cheaper design using one cooling loop and adjusting between heat/cold using software. When every penny counts as it does in automotive this was a competitive advantage that now competitors are copying.

As long as he has enough runway I wouldn't count him out as he seems to running the same playbook as Tesla and SpaceX.

Re: Musk’s first email to Twitter staff ends remote work

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Post by Ptchd »

rchaud wrote: post #794
Ptchd wrote: post #425

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Maybe in reality, he didn't layoff as many people as he wanted to? The rest will fire themselves...

why? everyone has PTO, and nobody is required to do all-nighters. If they want to, they can just go on vacation, wait it out and pick up severance when they get the chop.

yeah I guess the whole company should go on PTO...

Re: Musk’s first email to Twitter staff ends remote work

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Post by edwnj »

bhaak wrote: post #654
edwnj wrote: post #408

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Difference is you served (or are serving) during peacetime. This is wartime.. Twitter is in a shit load of trouble and unlike Meta & Snap which are crashing like a shitcoin.. Elon bought Twitter at 2x-3x what its actually worth. Unlike the past decade, where these companies had easy access to funny money during a tech bull market.. now we are entering a uuge recession.. Twitter (or any company for that matter) which…

> Twitter is in a shit load of trouble and unlike Meta & Snap which are crashing like a shitcoin.. Whatever state Twitter was in before Musk entered with a white knight syndrome, it was in a better state than it is now. > Elon bought Twitter at 2x-3x what its actually worth. Well, that was his first mistake at Twitter before he even "owned" it.

its is in signigicantly better shape. Ops cost have basically halved whilst growth metrics are breaking records. Revnue down because of commie backlash but thats been replaced by blue subscriber revenue in real time..

still tho, that 2x-3x multiple is a huuge gap to close and the company is still far from getting out its troubles. Troubles which btw existed wayyy before Elon or the recessions.

You google Twitter financials and metrics over the past years, its been grossly mismanaged..

Re: Musk’s first email to Twitter staff ends remote work

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Post by nebula8804 »

ldbooth wrote: post #758

The timing of this is the content - not the ending of remote work issue. It's using the news cycle and a hot button issue (end remote work) to bury the regulatory liability of the headline of the 3 chief complaince officers resignation the day before a FTC complaince filing.

Yeah this is Musk 101. My favorite one was the day before a massive whistleblower article came out about Tesla he literally released a Tesla Cyberwhistle. "BLOW THE WHISTLE" he said. Afterwards all searches for Tesla whistleblower were articles about this tiny piece of metal he put up for sale in his shop. Genius.

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Post by bursted »

slg wrote: post #208

Let's say you run a company and you want to reduce staff. Let's also say you want to make an unpopular decision (or multiple unpopular decisions) that you know will drive a certain percentage of your staff to leave the company. Wouldn't it make the most sense to announce those decisions before making layoffs? Let people self select whether they want to stay and work for you and then make your layoffs after to ensure…

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Post by ThinkBeat »

(I am on the older side on here probably) Having come from a difficult background, worked some really Shitty jobs and served in the army before I got a degree and started in tech I have been a bit shocked and a bit amused at the endless stream of less than average developers running around demanding to be treated like kings.

An extreme example of demanded privilege.

There has been royalty for IT and slavery for the rest. Look at how Amazon treats their factory / wearhouse workers. They dont treat the IT staff better because they are such great people. Once developers become easy to replace (should that happen) then the whip will make much more of an impression on the deposed royalty.

Or we just have some layoffs, and we have a lot of comapnies hiring still and it just continues just a little less fluffing I

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Post by tvaughan »

propogandist wrote: post #868
ldbooth wrote: post #758

The timing of this is the content - not the ending of remote work issue. It's using the news cycle and a hot button issue (end remote work) to bury the regulatory liability of the headline of the 3 chief complaince officers resignation the day before a FTC complaince filing.

it's almost like the headline that was buried about Twitter and Facebook colluding with Biden's DHS to "police disinformation", where social media companies were shills for government propaganda > the director of the Election Security Initiative at CISA, recommended the use of third-party information-sharing nonprofits as a “clearing house for information to avoid the appearance of government propaganda.” https://the…

This story has been debunked, https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/bullshit-reporting-the-i...

Re: Musk’s first email to Twitter staff ends remote work

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Post by ADuckOnQuack »

dehrmann wrote: post #923
valbaca wrote: post #714

It's pretty obvious that Musk is willfully (or ignorantly) forcing people out of the company in order to pre-filter before layoffs. If you're at Twitter and can get a job elsewhere, don't panic. Save up, apply elsewhere, quiet-quit but DO NOT QUIT. Make them fire you or lay you off. MAKE them payout the severance! Don't let Musk toss you out for free.

> MAKE them payout the severance! Most states don't require any severance. The WARN act creates de facto 60 days, but if you can keep it below the threshold or show that the firing was with cause (like if you quiet quit), it won't even count against that.

You know that “quiet quitting” just means doing the absolute requirements of your job and nothing more above and beyond right? What cause could you use? “Employee only works exact amount of hours as required in employment contract and completes average number of tasks per day” is absolutely not a just cause.
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