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Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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This is appalling but at least, as others commented, Laika got to be celebrated. For an example of real heartless exploitation of animals, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_of_despair . This psycho is still held in high esteem. Not only that, many such experiments continue to be made for research.

I always hate to say we need regulation around something but then someone evil does something evil and the need for regulation emerges again...

Ethics review boards these days understand that potential outcry is proportional to the amount of empathy the public has for a specific type of animal. Even beyond the "potential outcry" angle, universities understand that such experiments threaten to reduce the public's ability to trust in the scientific process itself, which they rightfully recognize as an existential threat. I've taken the mandatory animal ethics course as a result of doing consulting work at a large research university, and it's clear that getting approval for an experiment involving any kind of primate is essentially impossible. Dogs and cats would be extremely difficult, random mammals like pigs and rabbits would be quite difficult, even arbitrary rodents would be non-trivial. As a result of seeking the path of least resistance, most experiments took place on flies, bees, worms, spiders, fish, mice, and the one specific breed of rat that is more-or-less automatically approved for all experiments (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laboratory_rat).

Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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This is appalling but at least, as others commented, Laika got to be celebrated. For an example of real heartless exploitation of animals, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_of_despair . This psycho is still held in high esteem. Not only that, many such experiments continue to be made for research.

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Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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> Soviet physicians chose Laika to die, but they were not entirely heartless. This tone is really harsh, animals dying to push science forward is still common today and acting like they were "heartless" for it is disingenuous. Laika got to be remembered, which his already much more than can be said of most test subjects.

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Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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> they'd squeeze anything to make russia/ussr look bad, however little. You don’t need to squeeze anything to make Russia/USSR look bad.

You do. How would you otherwise demonize a Country that reached peak industrialization in a couple decades starting from a rural, semi-feudal society? - That established the 8 hour work day in 1917, - legalized abortion in 1920, - erradicated illiteracy and achieved a literacy rate of 75% starting from 25%, - Was the first country to build satellites and men to space? - Provided a decent standard of living to all the…

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to me and I think a lot of people that are likely to be on this site the Soviet Union just doesn't conjure up many rosy images or anything - no squeeze is needed.

Having a list of accomplishments doesn't negate criticism. I'd actually argue going from a semi-feudal rural society to a hyper military-industrial one in such a short timespan and in a forced top-down approach actually made things worse in the long run. I'm biased though, since the only people I know from the Soviet Union were the ones who escaped.

Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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The German death machine grinds down circa 30 million Soviet people, majority of them civilians, the hot take is being mad the red army for tank dogs. Sometimes the comments here are really special in their lack of context.

Or maybe both of those things are shitty and it isn’t mutually exclusive. Sometimes the binary thinking here is really special.

I'll take the 30 million dead over a relatively small number of dogs killed as the greater evil thanks.

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If you like happy endings, also check Belka and Strelka [1]. Not only did they safely travel to space and back, Strelka later gave birth to 6 pups, and one of them went on to live in the JFK White House. [1] https://www.amusingplanet.com/2021/12/belka-and-strelka-sovi...

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If you like happy endings, also check Belka and Strelka [1]. Not only did they safely travel to space and back, Strelka later gave birth to 6 pups, and one of them went on to live in the JFK White House. [1] https://www.amusingplanet.com/2021/12/belka-and-strelka-sovi...

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Technically, any present given "to" a US president is White House property; presumably, it became Johnson's dog after Kennedy's assassination, and, assuming the dog was still alive, later Nixon's.

Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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Things you forgot: - the murder of millions of innocent people - the worst nuclear accident on the planet Russia was bad then and continues today. Nothing needed other than history to make that case.

The mythical "they murdered A GAZILLION PEOPLE". Yeah, totally made up numbers made by anti-soviet historians that inflated numbers and considered natural causes as "murder". You can say what you want about the Soviet Union, but thinking that they ORDERED the killing of millions is complete derangement. Were there economic problems and famines? Yes, of course, all countries with a rural economy are exposed to famines…

Fewer than a quarter of a million people died in both atomic attacks combined, including post-war illnesses. Why is your desire to defend the Soviet Union more important to you than accurate information?
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