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FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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I still can't reconcile how fast this happened. Back in April SBF was willing to give billions to buy Twitter. It seemed like there was plenty of surplus or was the money he planned to invest just FTX customer holdings? "Musk responded to the text by asking if Bankman-Fried had “huge amounts of money?” MacAskill said SBF was worth about US$24 billion at the time and could be willing to provide as much as US$8 billion…

most of crypto/segments of wallstreet are a giant scam using mathematics to make money, any pr is good for them. It is like that wall street movie quote "You got ninety percent of the American public out there with little or no net worth. I create nothing. I own. We make the rules, pal."

Nothing mathematical about it.

It's Enron accounting all the way down. Except in Enron's case the accounting was actually creatively done to dodge regulators. These guys didn't even have that to worry about.

Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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Where were the adults in any of this and why would people throw billions of dollars at unqualified children?

Because most of the adults know that there is a window when you can get rich off a known con and get out before it blows up with quite a lot of cash. The best part of these being unqualified children is that they don't even realize that part of the deal they've signed up for is to take the fall when shit finally hits the fan. There's plenty of people who have made money from SBF behind the scenes, but you'll never he…

This couldn’t be further from the truth. SBF had enablers who knew what this was from the beginning but kept mum about it. They actually helped hype it up then exit with profits.

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I still can't reconcile how fast this happened. Back in April SBF was willing to give billions to buy Twitter. It seemed like there was plenty of surplus or was the money he planned to invest just FTX customer holdings? "Musk responded to the text by asking if Bankman-Fried had “huge amounts of money?” MacAskill said SBF was worth about US$24 billion at the time and could be willing to provide as much as US$8 billion…

Here's another guy that was vouching for SBF to get in on the Twitter deal for $5b. Michael Grimes [IBanker at Morgan Stanley]: Do you have 5 minutes to connect on possible meeting tomorrow I believe you will want to take? Elon: Will call in about half an hour Michael: Sam Bankman Fried is why I'm calling https://twitter.com/sbf_ftx/status/1514588820641128452 https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/recode/2021/3/20/22335209…

Interesting, the banker thinks "Major Democratic donor" is a positive selling point for Musk. I thought he is red.

Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, just yesterday SBF tweeted: > This was about FTX International. FTX US, the US based exchange that accepts Americans, was not financially impacted by this shitshow. https://twitter.com/SBF_FTX/status/1590709195892195329

That’s the one. Thanks for linking it. Was he in denial? Lying? Clueless? I have no idea at this point. He seemed earnest and genuine, but everything he’s saying is the exact opposite of reality. Maybe he was having an anxiety attack. I had one once, and it completely sucks. It ruins your ability to form logical thoughts. (It’s rare to see someone so powerful be so confidently mistaken. The confidence is the part I’m…

> It’s rare to see someone so powerful be so confidently mistaken.

I struggle to see how this could be true after 4 years of President Trump and Elon Musk's various undelivered promises. It's not rare, it seems to be extremely commonplace.

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Dumb question, but what happens to stuff like Miami Heat’s FTX Arena etc in situations like this? Should we expect a name change for the arena at some point soon?

Suggestion to remove the first one from your question. It is a good one.

Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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Where were the adults in any of this and why would people throw billions of dollars at unqualified children?

This is the result the "crypto community" asked for. They may not have wanted it, but they asked for it. A combination casino/money laundry/ponzi breeding ground also comes with intelligent crooks who are capable of running longer games.

You want recourse? That means oversight, audits and regulation.

Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

most of crypto/segments of wallstreet are a giant scam using mathematics to make money, any pr is good for them. It is like that wall street movie quote "You got ninety percent of the American public out there with little or no net worth. I create nothing. I own. We make the rules, pal."

> "You got ninety percent of the American public out there with little or no net worth. I create nothing. I own. We make the rules, pal. Might make sense to tax the people doing the work less and the people owning stuff more. Should be a homerun policy in any democracy.

Which is why we have a progressive tax schedule. It didn’t work, or you wouldn’t be here complaining.

Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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I've seen some comments saying that this is all delayed fallout from the Luna/Terra collapse last spring, it's just that FTX had the means (its own token that it could pump and move around its own entities) to paper over the hole in its balance sheet until now. Can anyone more familiar with the situation elaborate? How much further will the contagion spread?

How much further? By their own figures, Tether is now undercapitalized and just had billions withdrawn. They made those payments. But, as Hemmingway said, bankruptcy tends to happen gradually and then all at once. Tether is in a hole. Nobody knows how close they are to not making payments. But when they implode, it will be sudden and the blast radius will be large. Does Tether weather this squall? Based on history, p…

Tether might be able to plug the hole depending on how big it is if treasury rates rise fast enough for returns to paper over their previous asset allocation or mismanagement mistakes, and redemptions don’t exceed assets on hand.

Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scoopy in the Alchemix discord had this to say: "If you are on any CEX or CeFi app or earn product, get out RIGHT NOW. Rumors are swirling and it is possible that none of them are solvent. I am not kidding, really, get out now. I care too much for our community to not have said anything to warn you." Not sure what that all entails.

Even Coinbase?

Coinbase appears now to be relatively boring, highly regulated, and compliant with US laws.

I think they'll be fine.

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