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FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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I've seen some comments saying that this is all delayed fallout from the Luna/Terra collapse last spring, it's just that FTX had the means (its own token that it could pump and move around its own entities) to paper over the hole in its balance sheet until now. Can anyone more familiar with the situation elaborate? How much further will the contagion spread?

Scoopy in the Alchemix discord had this to say: "If you are on any CEX or CeFi app or earn product, get out RIGHT NOW. Rumors are swirling and it is possible that none of them are solvent. I am not kidding, really, get out now. I care too much for our community to not have said anything to warn you." Not sure what that all entails.

> Not sure what that all entails.

Those same network effects that propelled web3 into stratosphere are going to bring it down back to earth. Not necessarily vanquish it, but put web3 in its place, so to speak. A scenario I'd imagine where DEXes / DeFi will endure and possibly thrive, but DEXes / DeFis don't have the kind of moats to justify astronomical valuations... which is both a good and a bad thing, depending on which side of the coin you are on.

Tech VCs have already circled back to AI, so doubt private companies in need of more money can stay afloat for longer, if they weren't being careful with volatile crypto assets.

Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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you cannot make up this shit https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/ys4lmo/she_... gold

It's funny. Banks are widely perceived as corrupt; and lo and behold, the alternative systems to replace banking have been dragged by their heels through Banking 101. Edit: Also funny, was the unrelated Matt Damon TV ads about how "Fortune Favors the Brave." Obviously it comes from Caesar, but it was also used in Charles Dickens's Little Dorrit by a character encouraging what later turned out a Ponzi scheme...

FTX WAS a corrupt bank/betting parlor. Cryptocurrency is about self custody and full transparency. This is what blockchains allow. FTX was people depositing money in SBF's personal piggy bank. FTX has nothing to do with crypto, other than the fact that it allowed people to bet on crypto prices.

Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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The CEO of Alameda said "we tend not to have stop losses... I'm trying to think of a good example of a trade where I've lost a ton of money... I probably don't want to go into specifics with that" https://twitter.com/ApeDurden/status/1590912098871435265 Now how did this place end up managing billions of dollars and SBF the darling of politicians? The picture is starting to come into focus. SBF used customer funds to…

This is actually generally how finance works though. The whole industry is built on the illusion of superior competence. "Prestige" is a determining factor in someones ability get a job running a hedge fund/financial asset management. Generally they need to have gone to the right school, worked at the right bank, then at the right hedge fund. Each should show a good amount of tenure ( > 3-5 years ). A major asset man…

I do feel like SBF path was obviously distinct from this hedge fund/IB pathway you are describing.

For one, he got hired for a prop trading firms - in which these effects are not very large because they have little-to-no interest in clients and managing assets.

Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case, jail. He openly talked about how the whole thing was a Ponzi scheme. https://youtu.be/KZYqL79GDXU?t=1277

That’s not what he’s saying in that clip. From Levine’s column yesterday: > “People on Twitter now are like “he admitted that FTX is a Ponzi!” but of course that’s not true. He conceded a certain validity to my claim that some crypto businesses — not his — are Ponzis. He is just in the business of trading their tokens. “In fact, I came away from that conversation bullish on FTX and Bankman-Fried. My view was, and is,…

But the exchange it seems was but only one constituent of a wider more complex (necessarily complicated?) web of cross funding that in no way represents the expected business practice of an exchange. Matt it seems failed to account for the bare faced lying of a deluded ideologue. Or at least someone who hid behind an ideology to excuse absurd business practices

https://i.redd.it/078p4g7m6cz91.jpg

Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gaze on the beauty of this chart and despair: https://i.redd.it/078p4g7m6cz91.jpg

It actually gives Enron a run for its money: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Hamid-Ekbia-2/publicati...

It's quite common to spin off daughter companies per project, it isn't unusual or illegal in any way. Without at least type and ownership information it's hard to tell if it's iffy.

Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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post #28

Was this another CEO "taking all responsibility" without any actual responsiblity/penalties? Not counting resigning.

I take full responsibility for stealing $10 billion and am stepping down as CEO, it has been a long journey from me having nothing to this point. I am sorry to those that lost some or all of your money.

I will no longer take part in the company and will quietly fly away on my private jet to my $50 million home where I will contemplate my next venture.

Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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post #28

Was this another CEO "taking all responsibility" without any actual responsiblity/penalties? Not counting resigning.

Other than resigning, what more responsibility can someone take for a professional failure?

Stealing billions of dollars while working doesn't make it a professional failure, it's still stealing.

Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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Dumb question: so if you stored digital assets in a FTX wallet, does that mean you just lost all of your $$$? If so, wow'zer.

Based on previous exchange bankruptcies, you're now a creditor: so you'll get something at some time, but not a lot and not soon.

(Did the mtgox payout happen yet?)

Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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post #87

I've seen some comments saying that this is all delayed fallout from the Luna/Terra collapse last spring, it's just that FTX had the means (its own token that it could pump and move around its own entities) to paper over the hole in its balance sheet until now. Can anyone more familiar with the situation elaborate? How much further will the contagion spread?

Scoopy in the Alchemix discord had this to say: "If you are on any CEX or CeFi app or earn product, get out RIGHT NOW. Rumors are swirling and it is possible that none of them are solvent. I am not kidding, really, get out now. I care too much for our community to not have said anything to warn you." Not sure what that all entails.

Even Coinbase?

Re: FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns

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post #87

I've seen some comments saying that this is all delayed fallout from the Luna/Terra collapse last spring, it's just that FTX had the means (its own token that it could pump and move around its own entities) to paper over the hole in its balance sheet until now. Can anyone more familiar with the situation elaborate? How much further will the contagion spread?

How much further?

By their own figures, Tether is now undercapitalized and just had billions withdrawn. They made those payments. But, as Hemmingway said, bankruptcy tends to happen gradually and then all at once. Tether is in a hole. Nobody knows how close they are to not making payments. But when they implode, it will be sudden and the blast radius will be large.

Does Tether weather this squall? Based on history, probably. Based on economic fundamentals, they will sink at some point.

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