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Chrome 15 Is Now World’s Most Popular Browser (Version)

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Re: Chrome 15 Is Now World’s Most Popular Browser (Version)

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and it still doesn't support rss like other browsers

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nlbjncdgjeocebhnmk...

So what you're saying is that a new Chrome user, in order to get functionality that other browsers have out of the box (I'm thinking of Opera, I'm biased like that), have to start digging after extensions.

That's fine and dandy for experienced PC users like you and me but what about regular people? Housewives, pensioners, working people who want to use a browser but don't have much time to invest in learning its intricacies.

History has shown that people can live with screwed up technology for a long time without looking for improvements because they think it's normal or they're used to it (floppy disks for file transfer in the 21st century, for instance) and sometimes new technology or features have to be forced upon the user for them to take it up. In the case of Chrome, regular people get a truncated version of what a browser can do (no significant difference in features from Internet Explorer except speed). This creates a large entry barrier for regular people.

Do you think your average grandpa using Chrome (or Firefox, for that matter) will have a revelation at some point, thinking "gee, I'd really like to have mouse gestures, they would make my life so much easier for my poor hands"? Or "wow, I'd sure like a speed dial whenever I open my browser so that I can go with one click to the pages I most often use" (no, I don't want "most visited" as chosen by Chrome, I want speed dial). No, of course it's not going to happen; grandpa has never heard of RSS, mouse gestures, speed dial, and so on; someone (or something) has to explicitly tell/show him these features so that he becomes aware that they are possible.

I also have a personal beef with the people who thought that on startup Chrome should have "open the home page" as default option instead of "reopen the pages that were open last". This is the most retarded default option I could think of in our day and age - if someone wants to get rid of their tabs then they will CLOSE THEM. It's that simple. Just because I have to close the browser does not mean that I finished what I was doing and that I want my tabs closed. Opera got this right more than 10 years ago but some people still have the Internet Explorer 6 mindset. It's as if all your Gmail messages were marked unread when you logged in to your inbox because hey, it's a new session.

TL/DR - extensions are a poor substitute for built-in functionality in a world where the majority of users still are regular users (non-tech savvy). Grandpa Joe will not go digging for extensions.

Re: Chrome 15 Is Now World’s Most Popular Browser (Version)

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Since Chrome quietly updates, how do you think they'll handle updates that have significant UI changes? I guess you can have new versions have some features opt-in? That's what they've done with the GMail transition.

> Since Chrome quietly updates, how do you think they'll handle updates that have significant UI changes?

They'll do it, and if people disagree, well, too bad.

> That's what they've done with the GMail transition.

On the other hand, that's not what they did with the Reader transition, or when they broke the "+" operator in search.

Re: Chrome 15 Is Now World’s Most Popular Browser (Version)

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https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nlbjncdgjeocebhnmk...

So what you're saying is that a new Chrome user, in order to get functionality that other browsers have out of the box (I'm thinking of Opera, I'm biased like that), have to start digging after extensions. That's fine and dandy for experienced PC users like you and me but what about regular people? Housewives, pensioners, working people who want to use a browser but don't have much time to invest in learning its intr…

That's fine and dandy for experienced PC users like you and me but what about regular people? Housewives, pensioners, working people who want to use a browser but don't have much time to invest in learning its intricacies.

I think you are vastly over-stating the cross-section of the population that both has no idea what a browser extension is, yet knows about RSS and cares about using it.

Re: Chrome 15 Is Now World’s Most Popular Browser (Version)

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So we're trading a browser from a company with a desktop monopoly for one with a web search monopoly. I'm trying to get excited here. It's a shame Firefox couldn't win, but it's tough going up against a determined multibillion dollar behemoth, especially when they get to leverage their monopoly (sound familiar?) by advertising on one of the world's most popular webpages, google.com, for free.

I too would have liked Firefox to win but I think it's nothing to do with advertising the reason for Firefox declining and it's simply that Firefox has lost it's mojo. From version 4 they killed their browser. They may have redeemed themselves recently but I wouldn't care to look, Chrome picked up where Mozilla left off. Chrome is a fantastic browser and I never have issue with it. Firefox 4 and 5 used to crash at le…

I'm a Google fanboy, but I'm not sure if I want them to have a majority in the web browser space.

While they do move faster than MS, they also seem to have an habit of working on something internally, then one day they announce the feature in Chrome, dump a library to the other browsers and expect them to just integrate it. And since they control the biggest websites, there's immediately an unfair pressure; "Oh, you don't want to use SPDY? Well, then your browser will be slower on Google sites than Chrome" (they don't say - or probably even think - that, of course, but it's true)

Mozilla talks a lot about their development and seems to be more interested in a better web, and not just a better browser.

Re: Chrome 15 Is Now World’s Most Popular Browser (Version)

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HP Pre3 (unlocked) with webOS.

So do you generally stay away from dominant companies who are the ones innovating?

You don't think webOS is innovative because it isn't dominating? Therefore you believe there is a relationship between domination and innovation? I'm sorry, but I disagree. Brand loyalty, marketing, and just plain inertia factor into all of these technology choices that we make every day, including what browser we use. I choose not to use Chrome, not because I think its dominating, but I do not share your trust in the company behind it (and you have yet to explain why you do).

Re: Chrome 15 Is Now World’s Most Popular Browser (Version)

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Chrome updates itself automatically, so you probably running the latest version.

And what number is that?

omahaproxy.appspot.com

this lists latest versions on every platform for every channel.

Re: Chrome 15 Is Now World’s Most Popular Browser (Version)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what you're saying is that a new Chrome user, in order to get functionality that other browsers have out of the box (I'm thinking of Opera, I'm biased like that), have to start digging after extensions. That's fine and dandy for experienced PC users like you and me but what about regular people? Housewives, pensioners, working people who want to use a browser but don't have much time to invest in learning its intr…

That's fine and dandy for experienced PC users like you and me but what about regular people? Housewives, pensioners, working people who want to use a browser but don't have much time to invest in learning its intricacies. I think you are vastly over-stating the cross-section of the population that both has no idea what a browser extension is, yet knows about RSS and cares about using it.

That was my point. If they don't have that functionality in the browser they certainly won't go looking for it. If it's built-in there are ways to make the user aware of it (startup tips, random info pop-ups or even suggestions from more advanced users - "did you know you could do X very easily?").

Re: Chrome 15 Is Now World’s Most Popular Browser (Version)

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So do you generally stay away from dominant companies who are the ones innovating?

You don't think webOS is innovative because it isn't dominating? Therefore you believe there is a relationship between domination and innovation? I'm sorry, but I disagree. Brand loyalty, marketing, and just plain inertia factor into all of these technology choices that we make every day, including what browser we use. I choose not to use Chrome, not because I think its dominating, but I do not share your trust in th…

Although I should have mentioned this in an earlier response, you have actually twisted my words. I actually said

>I would rather put my trust in Google than Microsoft, I believe that Google have the interest of a faster more up to date web than Microsoft do and I go with their values.

Not I trust Google over every company in the world. And I state my reasons for trusting Google over Microsoft. Because I think they are more in tune with the values of what I think the web should be about.

Yes I also think the more domineering companies are the most innovative. Do you think if WebOS was so innovative and fantastic HP would have canned it? Would HP (or google) be anywhere near the level of phone we have today if it wasn't for the iPhone?

You're right in that it has a lot to do with marketing and Google would not have got Chrome to where it is today without their ability to market it but if it was crap then there would have been no uptake? They don't get a 25% browser share from developing something that doesn't work?

Look at Google Wave, massive marketing, everyone looked forward to it and it was rubbish. It's not all about marketing or love for a brand. It's a mixture of everything. I also don't start dismissing a companies products because they are getting too big, I don't want the next best thing, I was the best tool for the job. Regardless of who it is (within realms of common sense)

Re: Chrome 15 Is Now World’s Most Popular Browser (Version)

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No Safari?

You can see Browser-share as opposed to Browser-version share if you go to the statcounter page linked above. Webkit is around 6% and Chrome is 27% making WebKit ~33% and rising. All versions of IE are ~38.5 and falling. Firefox is ~25% and falling really slowly. Opera is <2% and rising really, really slowly.
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