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Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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This number seems completely reasonable to me. 20 % of the working force is in the top quintile. It wouldn't surprise me if a fifth of them were in it for the money, and if they found out they were underpaid despite being a top performer, they would quit. That works out to 4 %.

I'm actually surprised the number isn't higher.

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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It's not easy for people promoted into manager roles either. I'm a new manager who the first time is now exposed to salary details of my, now direct reports, former co-workers. For the past couple of weeks I've been walking around thinking "how the hell does he make that much?! When I was at that level of experience I was paid $40k less". It's really affecting me to be honest. I'm seeing people in different light and…

You just need a different view on salary.

From a company's perspective, your salary does not reward your skills or efforts, your salary is the strict minimum that is necessary for you to accept to work for them and to be happy enough to be productive.

Turns out the minimum you accept is lower than some other people's minimum.

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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It's not easy for people promoted into manager roles either. I'm a new manager who the first time is now exposed to salary details of my, now direct reports, former co-workers. For the past couple of weeks I've been walking around thinking "how the hell does he make that much?! When I was at that level of experience I was paid $40k less". It's really affecting me to be honest. I'm seeing people in different light and…

Did you ever ask for a raise or more money?

If so did they ever say no?

In my experience many who complain about salary often failed to ever try and negotiate on behalf of themselves.

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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4% quitting. But what effect does it have on the other 96%? Quitting is an extreme response (not wrong, and I totally understand people who'd decide to quit). But what's the response of the other 96%? No response? Lower productivity? Toxicity? Less helpful? Indifferent? Revenge? Destructive? I doubt the 96% will have no response.

How about you click the article link and find out? It's even at the very top of the article for once:

- 88% of workers will demand to know the salary range for their current position, if permitted by law; 68% will demand the highest end of known salary range

- 1 in 20 workers would quit if it’s revealed co-workers earn more money; 63% would demand equal pay

- 85% say they’re more likely to apply to job that lists a salary range

- 42% say the salary ranges companies list should be limited

- 63% worry salary transparency will cause problems among co-workers

- 92% of workers support salary transparency laws; 61% say laws will improve wage gap

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

#125

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What’s even more strange is people trust the military to be loyal, but the amount of cheating relative to the general population in my opinion literally creates a culture that values cheats. To be fair, not aware of any military that’s managed to avoid the pattern and would honestly be curious to know of how any have avoided it.

I've only known a single officer, but she said it was a lot less prevalent amongst officers than enlisted, still happens (she was in fact having an extramarital affair at the time - I found out later), but it is probably closer to the real world average. Maybe there is less need to marry before you are ready as an officer.

What a great example of the old saw "who are you going to believe, me, or your lying eyes?".

"Oh yeah we don't do that much" (soothes class anxiety and guilt, smiles at you)

And what was your takeaway? It wasn't that the adulterer was lying: why not? How often does a pretty smile do this to you?

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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Back in socialist time, the government was the landlord for a huge percentage of that... they literally took peoples private houses away after WW2, and rented them out to people. Only after the split of yugoslavia, they sold the taxpayer paid and built apartments to then-current renters for peanuts.

sure it was a landlord that had no right to kick you out

You don't get kicked out. You get purged.

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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What’s even more strange is people trust the military to be loyal, but the amount of cheating relative to the general population in my opinion literally creates a culture that values cheats. To be fair, not aware of any military that’s managed to avoid the pattern and would honestly be curious to know of how any have avoided it.

The military trains you to be loyal to your comrades, not your spouse, but in my experience the person cheating in the relationship is usually the spouse of the service member, not the service member. Recruiters talking about getting laid a ton is probably because the primary recruiting demographic is young single men, and they will say just about anything to get people to sign contracts.

Military in my experience is ruthlessly about self preservation - which is not in my opinion about loyalty, but about survival career wise and on the battlefield.

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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The definition of free market is that information is avaliable. I dont understand how people that declare they believe in free market, want information to be hidden and the market to be less free. Additionally most of them are employees. It should be obvious that freely knowing salaries will improve the employee's ability to negotiate the wage they deserve.

> It should be obvious that freely knowing salaries will improve the employee's ability to negotiate the wage they deserve. I would argue that for high performers, it could become an excuse not to pay more. "Sorry, we know you did XYZ, but we can't give you a further raise because you're already 4% ahead of your colleagues." And of course, everyone thinks they're a high-performer, so this policy would be unpopular wi…

Why presume that high performers are already paid well? Why wouldn't high performers be just as ignorant of salaries?

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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It's not easy for people promoted into manager roles either. I'm a new manager who the first time is now exposed to salary details of my, now direct reports, former co-workers. For the past couple of weeks I've been walking around thinking "how the hell does he make that much?! When I was at that level of experience I was paid $40k less". It's really affecting me to be honest. I'm seeing people in different light and…

It seems you didn’t negotiate hard enough on your behalf (or others negotiated at the right time). The question you should ask yourself as a manager now is not the question whether you expect others to negotiate like you did, but how can you reach a pay level across the team that is somewhat balanced . The company I am working in has fairly strict guidance based on competences and experience which I do like. It makes…

This is a meme but it’s not really how it works, not entirely anyway.

Take meta. If you joined today vs a year ago and everything else was the same you’d be making over 30% as much.

Companies generally don’t pay tenured people as much as new hires across the board. It’s not about negotiating.

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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sure it was a landlord that had no right to kick you out

So.. basically the same as any other landlord in EU now? You signed a contract, and while it lasted, if you paid, they couldn't throw you out for the duration of the contract.

vastly different. you pay off your apartment as you work. the apartment is owned by the state corporation you work for. the corporation has very little power to let you go. its more like a very favourable home loan
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