Musk’s first email to Twitter staff ends remote work • Hacker News Board

Re: Musk’s first email to Twitter staff ends remote work

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Post by hsuduebc2 » Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 10:43 PM UTC

roughly wrote: post #401

VLM wrote: post #269

Interesting strategic window: You can't innovate and software engineer using 1950s style "butts in seats". Maybe this is a signal twitter isn't going to innovate, develop, and maybe even operate, internally, at least going forward. You need code for a new feature? Buy a startup that already wrote it. You need to keep something running? Contract out instead of employees. Very few companies have a full time plumber or…

> What fundamentally does twitter do? Twitter does content moderation. That's your primary product when you're a billion dollar advertising company with a content farm of 300M people - your product is that the Ford ad you just sold is not going to sit above or below an (actual no-foolin' not just political-pejorative) neo-nazi.

Nice idea have another 4chan with less gore

Re: Musk’s first email to Twitter staff ends remote work

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Post by TulliusCicero » Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 10:44 PM UTC

autospeaker22 wrote: post #549

I keep thinking it'd be much cheaper for Elon to have paid to build an entirely new Twitter that has the features he's looking for. Let's say Elon had set aside a budget to hire some of the best developers he's ever worked with or heard of, and lets give them an imaginary salary of 1.5 million total comp per year, at about 10 devs for easy math. And let's say another 500k for bennies. So our operating expense for top…

That money would get you a very robust prototype, but getting to scale requires building a lot of random other features that most users aren't aware of, plus being around long enough with half-decent community management to acquire users.

Companies like Twitter don't get big for no reason. Yes, there's obviously some bloat, but a lot of it's just random 'non-core' features that still need to get done.

Re: Musk’s first email to Twitter staff ends remote work

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Post by vonseel » Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 10:45 PM UTC

autospeaker22 wrote: post #549

I keep thinking it'd be much cheaper for Elon to have paid to build an entirely new Twitter that has the features he's looking for. Let's say Elon had set aside a budget to hire some of the best developers he's ever worked with or heard of, and lets give them an imaginary salary of 1.5 million total comp per year, at about 10 devs for easy math. And let's say another 500k for bennies. So our operating expense for top…

I’m just guessing, but maybe Elon really loves Twitter. Building a new platform wouldn’t allow him to rescue the thing he loves. Seems more like an emotional decision than a logical one.

Re: Musk’s first email to Twitter staff ends remote work

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Post by hsuduebc2 » Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 10:46 PM UTC

Ofcourse it is his company so he can do whatever he want but this man turned out to be kinda douchebag in last few years.

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Post by fallingknife » Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 10:47 PM UTC

autospeaker22 wrote: post #638

jensvdh wrote: post #607

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If you paid me anywhere between 750-1.5M a year just go on in the office 40 hours a week I'd take that offer any day every day. I did the same for less than half of that not even 2 years ago. The problem with Musk companies is 1) It'll be MINIMUM 40 hours a week, no WLB 2) His companies aren't known for paying competitively

Didn't know that about the comp at his companies. Kind of crazy considering the risk to human life associated with many of his companies. Would've expected them to pay top tier.

Then you would be shocked to learn how little software engineers are paid in the automotive industry vs me working on dumb VC money pit web apps.

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Post by fortuna86 » Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 10:47 PM UTC

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #119

fortuna86 wrote: post #65

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100%. Rules are for other people.

You can't expect getting paid and set the rules. If you don't like it, stop receiving pay, that allowes you to ignore the rules. It's fair.

Getting paid doesn't change the fact that the employees are the ones actually making Twitter work. If Twitter were a car, it would have an owner.

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Post by literalAardvark » Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 10:47 PM UTC

bogota wrote: post #286

kleiba wrote: post #123

Prior to Musk’s arrival, Twitter had established a permanent work-from-anywhere arrangement for its workers ...for some definition of the word "permanent".

Really feel bad for anyone who went out and bought a house in another place or made life decisions based on this policy which is likely a lot of people. This is really showing that you don’t respect or care about your employees which is par for the course for musk. However i think what he is forgetting is that Twitter isn’t some amazing challenge to solve like self driving or rockets. I think you will see a very unde…

Debatable. "The town square for the world" is a lofty enough goal.

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Post by nescioquid » Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 10:47 PM UTC

lumost wrote: post #591

poszlem wrote: post #517

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What's stupid is people thinking that someone who successfully rules over some of the most influential companies in the world is stupid. Reminds me of all those people who claim that Trump or Putin[1] are "stupid" where in reality they just mean "I don't like them". [1] You can be a murderous dictator and not stupid, I would actually wager a guess that those people tend to actually be cleverer than average. Some appl…

There is a surprising amount of luck and happenstance in people reaching their current positions. Even great discoveries made by smart people often originate because someone was in the right place at the right time. Most societies rewards these events, for both the individual and through inheritance their children. Musk may be cleverer than average, but he's also come to own twitter by virtue of being successful at b…

There is a surprising amount of luck involved. More than you suspected.

> being successful at building paypal

Musk never worked for a company called PayPal. The predecessor companies that merged to become PayPal forced Musk out around the time of the merger. Later the company changed its name to PayPal and when it went public, Musk had a big payday.

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Post by randomsearch » Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 10:48 PM UTC

danny_taco wrote: post #648

poszlem wrote: post #517

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What's stupid is people thinking that someone who successfully rules over some of the most influential companies in the world is stupid. Reminds me of all those people who claim that Trump or Putin[1] are "stupid" where in reality they just mean "I don't like them". [1] You can be a murderous dictator and not stupid, I would actually wager a guess that those people tend to actually be cleverer than average. Some appl…

Elon or Putin are not stupid, far from it, but that doesn't mean they can't make stupid decisions, and not only make them but double down on them. For example, look at Putin and the state of Russia and their invasion of Ukraine. I think everyone would agree it has been one of the biggest military and geopolitical blunders ever. As far as Elons acquisition of Twitter, time will tell if it was 'stupid' decision or not.

Was it really stupid or was he outsmarted by his opponents? Seems to me the White House have outplayed him.