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Post by rtp4me »

ajkjk wrote: post #63
aaomidi wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s fair to critique someone who just upended the lives of all these people.

Yeah, but most of the posts here aren't really critique, they're just sarcastic scorn. We get it, HN, you like remote work a lot and can't imagine any alternative.

Agreed. I have been reading HN for a while, and the overwhelming tone here is definitely "screw the manager/CIO/CEO" together with "If I have to go into the office, I will quiet quit, quit without notice, sabotage my employer", etc. It is truly shocking.

I feel many on HN simply can't appreciate the great working conditions the IT industry has compared to other industries (health care, food service, social services, etc). Getting paid over $100K a year and crying about going to the office? Wow, just wow. Imagine how nurses feel getting much lower pay that are forced to go to work and deal with sick/unruly people...

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Post by hallway_monitor »

ok_dad wrote: post #357

Everytime a new Commanding Officer (CO) showed up when I was in the Navy we tried to bet which type it was: 1) The kind who investigated the goings-on in the ship, interviewed the officers and chiefs, and learned how the ship was being run, then made small changes over time to optimize the operations based on what they learned. Sometimes big changes in one specific area, if it was required (like fixing the ship's cry…

The difference here is the ship is not running smoothly at all according to the new commander. It is a change in course and I think it's pretty obvious Elon wants to get rid of the people who won't be on board with the new plan. This change is one more opportunity for those dissidents to leave and for those that stay to build a better team.

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Post by bmitc »

throw__away7391 wrote: post #134

Regardless of the merits of remote/office or what this announcement would mean at a normal company, it sounds like it must be pure chaos at Twitter right now.

I'd imagine it's been chaos ever since Musk started this whole deal months ago.

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Post by phillipcarter »

myroon5 wrote: post #111
manjose2018 wrote: post #83

Whatsapp had 1B users with far fewer eng, why is Twitter so big? Here is my back of the envelope math of how big I think the company should be for their main offering. Over the past years Twitter has acquired a ton of companies, but I'm going to leave them out of this equation. Eng (250) =========== Backend/Storage: 100 eng Subscriptions: 50 Front-End: 50 eng iOS App: 20 eng Android App: 20 eng UX: 10 Abuse/Moderatio…

Related tech staffing thoughts of someone now directly involved: https://sacks.substack.com/p/the-saas-org-chart

I wonder if the author would change this post to show less employees and higher ARR. That's certainly been my experience today.

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Post by BigJ1211 »

macjc wrote: post #178
kypro wrote: post #23

I am split on the remote work thing from a productivity / creativity perspective. I do think there are times when I'm less productivity working from home compared to the office. I also think as a team we're less creative. Some of the best stuff I've done in my career has come out of casual conversations with my team about the stuff we're building. I've noticed I don't think about what I'm building as much when workin…

I know most studies show remote work improves productivity. I have the opposite experience even though I need to take one hour to commute one way. Our office is 80% empty on average. I think this has greatly hurt the interaction between people, increased friction and slowed down project progress. I am sure some people are more efficient at home, but there might be a silent majority, who enjoy doing less work remotely…

In most places it seems to be the opposite from what I gather from my clients. Small majority of people prefer to go into the office. Especially those with kids. And they are vocal about it.

I don't have kids, so for me productivity is higher at home. However, we're running a hybrid setup at my place of work because it indeed seems to give you the best of both worlds.

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Post by greedo »

asdff wrote: post #266
kodah wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My take is probably a bit more hot and less to do with anything provable. I think the real reason for "return to work" is to justify high salaries. If everyone dispersed across the United States then people in the highest markets would get significant drops in pay. It's no secret that subsidizing extremely high housing costs has the benefit of earning those people more than the average worker doing the same work over…

It's not like your income is scaled to the housing costs though. I just checked craigslist for Los angeles and Columbus, Ohio. 1 bedroom average in LA is $2000 and change, Columbus its $1000. For a year in the average 1 bedroom, you are only paying $12k more or so for the unit in LA. Other costs are about the same, the same MSRP for consumer goods, about the same grocery bill (certain food is honestly very cheap in L…

I live in the midwest, in a house that's appraised around $350K. Every time I visit family on the West coast, I look at similar house prices, and they're all at least 3x or 4x. No way could I afford that; and I sure wouldn't get a huge salary bump for relocating.

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Post by bmitc »

cragfar wrote: post #350
ben7799 wrote: post #284

It feels like remote work is a distraction here.. it's more like Musk realizes he bought a company that was in a lot more trouble than anyone out in the public can understand and he's scrambling for anything. Everyone is all worried about what this means for remote work at other companies when it might not mean anything at all since the other companies don't have the same circumstances as Twitter. Also we're all defe…

It's weird how people are trying to divine his actions. He's been against remote work at every point. He tried to keep the Tesla offices open when the Covid Lockdowns were starting.

I think he's been pretty against anything that doesn't treat workers as automatons.

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Post by bink »

ben7799 wrote: post #284

It feels like remote work is a distraction here.. it's more like Musk realizes he bought a company that was in a lot more trouble than anyone out in the public can understand and he's scrambling for anything. Everyone is all worried about what this means for remote work at other companies when it might not mean anything at all since the other companies don't have the same circumstances as Twitter. Also we're all defe…

> it's more like Musk realizes he bought a company that was in a lot more trouble than anyone out in the public can understand

Or he bought a company and by doing so placed it in a lot more trouble than it was previously.

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Post by renewiltord »

philistine wrote: post #320
vooner wrote: post #115

Born with an emerald spoon in his mouth, it's no surprise that Musk has no empathy with the common worker. On top of his ridiculous level of wealth, he has an absurdly large ego to go with it, and an army of turd-polishers ready to laud everything he does. This guy is too big-headed to fail.

Let's not mince words, and talk about his real world lived experience: he treats people like apartheid-era South Africa.

Ah yes. Little is known about apartheid-era SA but the one thing we all know is that when you were fired, they paid you for 2 months and provided healthcare.

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Post by madeofpalk »

jansan wrote: post #344
SkyPuncher wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What has Twitter innovated on in the past decade? While I don't agree with the way Elon has been making this move, it's sure looking like he's trying to clear the place out so he can establish a new culture. These policy changes are likely to scare mobile, top-performers off to other companies. This likely clears out a lot of internal dissent and heal digging to make room for new "top performers". I wouldn't be shock…

What has Twitter innovated on in the past decade? Bootstrap

Past decade. Bootstrap is 11 years old.
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