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Why Is Tipping Everywhere You Checkout?

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Re: Why Is Tipping Everywhere You Checkout?

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The post addresses why raising prices isn't a good option for most businesses. I find the argument convincing. Tipping culture _is_ you paying the higher price. > The only reason I continue to tip is the knowledge that my food will be spat in / worse if I don't. I know this is anecdotal, but I have worked in many places that serve food/drinks & take tips. I have never seen someone get their food spat in. The places w…

I'm talking about being spat in the NEXT time you go there. If you're known to not tip, you're at risk of this behavior. It's far worse with things like UberEATS. Your paying the driver to not eat your fries and sip your drink One time, my drink from UberEATS had a line of lipstick on the rim of the straw. I guess I should have tipped more.

UberEats drivers become aware of the tip after delivery, not before.

Re: Why Is Tipping Everywhere You Checkout?

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Some (many?) countries have demonstrated that no-tipping can work just fine. > makes them less competitive to any nearby coffeeshops that haven't raised prices Maybe I'm an outlier but for me I'm sick of the mental game of "Am I good member of society for the % I selected, and how much will my date judge me if I choose what used to be the norm -- 10%-15%... and am I the sucker if I choose a high amount while other pe…

You aren't, I genuinely try to tip well, knowing how stacked things are, and I'm lucky to be in a higher income bracket, but it sucks, and I wish we could end tipping via an outright ban (as to not cause weirdness in the marketplace). I'd rather the prices adjust accordingly, and everyone gets a fair wage. Its so much more transparent. and I think thats really what it is, its a way to obfuscate pricing transparency t…

> You aren't

sorry, it's clear. I am not what?

Re: Why Is Tipping Everywhere You Checkout?

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Some (many?) countries have demonstrated that no-tipping can work just fine. > makes them less competitive to any nearby coffeeshops that haven't raised prices Maybe I'm an outlier but for me I'm sick of the mental game of "Am I good member of society for the % I selected, and how much will my date judge me if I choose what used to be the norm -- 10%-15%... and am I the sucker if I choose a high amount while other pe…

> Some of you may be too young to realize but there has been tip % inflation that is when combined with price inflation the tip amount has grown geometrically This is the most annoying part of many point-of-sale systems at counter-service restaurants today. You tap your card/phone/watch, and are then presented with big buttons for say, 35%, 30%, and 28% (I'm exaggerating, but not by much). The "custom amount" button…

> so you have to search for a moment if you want to tip a more traditional amount

And kind of like cracking security where certain operations take more or less time, you have the embarrassing experience of the waiter immediately knowing you're not tipping the requested amounts.

Re: Why Is Tipping Everywhere You Checkout?

#205

Some (many?) countries have demonstrated that no-tipping can work just fine. > makes them less competitive to any nearby coffeeshops that haven't raised prices Maybe I'm an outlier but for me I'm sick of the mental game of "Am I good member of society for the % I selected, and how much will my date judge me if I choose what used to be the norm -- 10%-15%... and am I the sucker if I choose a high amount while other pe…

>Why cant we just give employees dignity and a fair wage? Define dignity first, maybe? A slave in chains can still have dignity, and the most wealthy and powerful of men can be utterly undignified.

I'm not going to go into a full definition here, but I guess I consider it undignified to have your material needs dependent on the good will of others who choose to follow a social convention to pay more than strictly required to.

Re: Why Is Tipping Everywhere You Checkout?

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This is exactly how I think about tipping. I, and many friends and family, worked retail and food service jobs when we were young. Now I’m professionally successful and will not miss a couple extra bucks on a cup of coffee. So I’m happy to help boost the person serving it to me. I know it means way more to them than it does to me. This also explains why people (including me) get SO MAD if they find out that tips don’…

The way you describe it sounds like a micro trickle-down wealth redistribution rather than making sure someone has a fair wage. Personally I find this really frustrating. You're not paid fairly for your labor. You only achieve a living wage through the generosity of those "happy to help boost" me. In my mind that reinforces a power dynamic between the "professionally successful" and those in the service industry. If…

Employees like tipping because it gives them greater control over their earnings. If they handle customers efficiently, if they sell hard, they can make more money. And they can take it home that day if they are receiving tips in cash.

And business owners like tipping because it aligns the employees' interests with their own: bringing in as much revenue as possible.

There are U.S. food service jobs without tipping, for example fast food chains or school cafeteria workers. Do these folks have higher pay as a result? Generally no.

Re: Why Is Tipping Everywhere You Checkout?

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post #69

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I used to work shipping & receiving, where I got minimum wage, and didn't get a tip for anything. That's why I'm happy to let people working retail & food service jobs just do the work for their wage. See how that works?

No, I don't. I don't understand that mindset at all.

It wasn't just when I was older that the tips were expected, it was still expected while I was making minimum wage.

Re: Why Is Tipping Everywhere You Checkout?

#208
2 reasons this pisses me off more than it should:

1) Tipping a fast food restaurant for simply doing the thing I am already paying them for (making the food and handing it to me over the counter) is fucking ridiculous. There was no table service involved.

2) These scumbag business owners are trying to make us consumers pay their employees the wages THEY should be paying them. I pay you for the product/service.... YOU should pay your employees a fair wage with that money.

Re: Why Is Tipping Everywhere You Checkout?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In practice coffee shops have tiny margins so they can’t afford to do that.

I refuse to believe that bean water has tiny margins.

The bean water has huge margins but is only a tiny part of the expenses.

Re: Why Is Tipping Everywhere You Checkout?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having owned a bar in the past I can tell you right now the most wealthy people either didn't tip at all or very little. Fellow service industry people tipped the best.

I would argue it's more likely that most wealthy people that are the type to let you know they're wealthy either didn't tip at all or very little. There's plenty of wealthy people that tip very well, but many of them don't flaunt it in any way.

I figured this would be a response. I knew just about everyone pretty well, it was in a very nice area of town and is a small rural community.
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