And US and UK and Australian and basically all countries at this point.
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Re: Indian ISPs: We already give govt full access to web traffic
#42An important point is whether legislation exists which allows such "monitoring". Edit: I would also like to add, one of the latest news was about malicious access of administrative data in Australia - which surely has in general more funds to invest in security than others. I would be concerned about personal data being copied in more repositories (multiplying chances of malicious access).
Isn't that why countries passed non-specific laws? E.g. in the UK we have the Snoopers' Charter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigatory_Powers_Act_2016 , I believe in the US the Patriot Act did something similar.
That's an important thing to note, so you can recognize it where you live i.e. under what obscure interpretation, of what strangely written law, passed under what conditions, enabled unlimited network surveillance in the countries that have it? Who in your country supports similar legislation?
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#43Ok so how is it different from what the USA does?
Probably not at all. Still worth reporting and talking about. It's not okay if the US or India or any other country does it. I'm not happy that most comments here are so resigned, "well, yeah, everybody does it".
Re: Indian ISPs: We already give govt full access to web traffic
#44Ok so how is it different from what the USA does?
It's probably not as bad as what the USA is doing today...
Re: Indian ISPs: We already give govt full access to web traffic
#45GNU Net [0] seems more relevant than ever: "The Internet is broken." "The conventional Internet is currently like a system of roads with deep potholes and highwaymen all over the place. Even if you still can use the roads (e.g. send emails, or browse websites) your vehicle might get hijacked, damaged, or long arms might reach into its back and steal your items (data) to use it against you and sell it to others - whil…
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Re: Indian ISPs: We already give govt full access to web traffic
#46GNU Net [0] seems more relevant than ever: "The Internet is broken." "The conventional Internet is currently like a system of roads with deep potholes and highwaymen all over the place. Even if you still can use the roads (e.g. send emails, or browse websites) your vehicle might get hijacked, damaged, or long arms might reach into its back and steal your items (data) to use it against you and sell it to others - whil…
this is just a bad analogy. the internet is not transporting anything like a road would. the whole system works by copying “your data” every step along the way. they are not thieving your precious bits, they are copying them as they are transmitting them. this s also why you cannot even notice the “thievery”. furthermore, this analogy is mangling together data legitimacy, security, and property rights all into one bi…
If you happen to come up with a better analogy, I'm sure the GNU Net development team will appreciate your input: gnunet-developers@gnu.org
GNU Project is community-driven, after all.
Re: Indian ISPs: We already give govt full access to web traffic
#47Many, if not most, nations have similar provisions to this. I think it's wrong and just over the top. However, encrypting everything and using multi-hop routing wherever possible at least will add noise to this sort of dragnet surveillance. Personally, I've taken steps to obsfucate my traffic since similar legislation was introduced in the UK.
Could you possibly share the tools you use to obfuscate your traffic?
I would guess Tor, I2P, Freenet, GNUNet.
But also configuring or avoiding certain other software: https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/index.html
Re: Indian ISPs: We already give govt full access to web traffic
#48And US and UK and Australian and basically all countries at this point.
No post body was provided.
Re: Indian ISPs: We already give govt full access to web traffic
#49But how... I mean presumably they don't install a root cert on every client device?
The internet doesn't run on pre-shared keys. Asymmetric encryption is weak against wiretapping.
Otherwise there wouldn't be illegal dragnets (Room 641A, DITU, PRISM).
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#50Yes they do, mainly because it’s the law. That it’s a misguided law is open for debate, but I don’t believe there is any state in the world that doesn’t monitor and control tele-communications (internet is regulated as tele-communications WW).
Yet there was a time, not long ago, when many countries had written in their constitutions, among the fundamental rights of their citizens, the rights of secrecy for both their written correspondence and their telephone conversations.
Such rights were included even in the constitutions of many communist countries, despite the fact that there it was a routine activity for the secret police to open all suspect private correspondence and listen to many telephone calls. Nonetheless, they had to be careful to not get caught, because the official version was that their activities were illegal and even anti-constitutional.
Unfortunately, now almost everywhere such rights have been weakened or completely eliminated, without any good justification and without the opposition that such changes deserved.