This came as a surprise to me considering when the Indian court orders to take down particular content of particular site, ISPs still uses dns blocking instead of more granular blocking which resulted in blanket site blockings of popular sites
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
The level of surprise does seem overblown. This bit stuck out to me: > ... access to this data is so accessible remotely that physically visiting an internet provider’s premises is no longer required for government agencies. They were expecting government agents to have to physically visit the ISP's offices? Were they perhaps going to get their data on a floppy disk?
They weren't asking for floppy disks, they were sending their people to connect directly to infrastructure. One of examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A
Ah ok that does make a bit more sense.
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#33Many, if not most, nations have similar provisions to this. I think it's wrong and just over the top. However, encrypting everything and using multi-hop routing wherever possible at least will add noise to this sort of dragnet surveillance. Personally, I've taken steps to obsfucate my traffic since similar legislation was introduced in the UK.
Could you possibly share the tools you use to obfuscate your traffic?
I did start with Yacy. First I would bould something thet search a list on Google or so and the just follow links forever. Finally I just found Yacy a P2P search. I did run it for a couple of years.
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#34GNU Net [0] seems more relevant than ever: "The Internet is broken." "The conventional Internet is currently like a system of roads with deep potholes and highwaymen all over the place. Even if you still can use the roads (e.g. send emails, or browse websites) your vehicle might get hijacked, damaged, or long arms might reach into its back and steal your items (data) to use it against you and sell it to others - whil…
Thanks. Great bib!
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#35This came as a surprise to me considering when the Indian court orders to take down particular content of particular site, ISPs still uses dns blocking instead of more granular blocking which resulted in blanket site blockings of popular sites
Most Indian ISPs employ Deep-packet Inspection to block websites
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#36GNU Net [0] seems more relevant than ever: "The Internet is broken." "The conventional Internet is currently like a system of roads with deep potholes and highwaymen all over the place. Even if you still can use the roads (e.g. send emails, or browse websites) your vehicle might get hijacked, damaged, or long arms might reach into its back and steal your items (data) to use it against you and sell it to others - whil…
this is just a bad analogy. the internet is not transporting anything like a road would. the whole system works by copying “your data” every step along the way.
they are not thieving your precious bits, they are copying them as they are transmitting them. this s also why you cannot even notice the “thievery”.
furthermore, this analogy is mangling together data legitimacy, security, and property rights all into one big ball of “be worried, the internet is stealing you because it wasn’t designed with safety in mind”
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#37GNU Net [0] seems more relevant than ever: "The Internet is broken." "The conventional Internet is currently like a system of roads with deep potholes and highwaymen all over the place. Even if you still can use the roads (e.g. send emails, or browse websites) your vehicle might get hijacked, damaged, or long arms might reach into its back and steal your items (data) to use it against you and sell it to others - whil…
this is just a bad analogy. the internet is not transporting anything like a road would. the whole system works by copying “your data” every step along the way. they are not thieving your precious bits, they are copying them as they are transmitting them. this s also why you cannot even notice the “thievery”. furthermore, this analogy is mangling together data legitimacy, security, and property rights all into one bi…
Sending postcards could be a more apt analogy. Even if a bit outdated, still a widely familiar activity, and postcards can be copied. And they are just as open to people in between as HTTP packets are.
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#38Many, if not most, nations have similar provisions to this. I think it's wrong and just over the top. However, encrypting everything and using multi-hop routing wherever possible at least will add noise to this sort of dragnet surveillance. Personally, I've taken steps to obsfucate my traffic since similar legislation was introduced in the UK.
Snowden released his trove back in 2013. At that point it became obvious that anyone with power to surveil would use it. I suppose the news here is that the response was so relaxed that governments started doing it publicly and explaining the tech.
It was obvious before Snowden.
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#39This happens because the Indian government does not yet have the infrastructure of NSA and or GCHQ :) They have to demand for the information instead :)
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#40GNU Net [0] seems more relevant than ever: "The Internet is broken." "The conventional Internet is currently like a system of roads with deep potholes and highwaymen all over the place. Even if you still can use the roads (e.g. send emails, or browse websites) your vehicle might get hijacked, damaged, or long arms might reach into its back and steal your items (data) to use it against you and sell it to others - whil…
this is just a bad analogy. the internet is not transporting anything like a road would. the whole system works by copying “your data” every step along the way. they are not thieving your precious bits, they are copying them as they are transmitting them. this s also why you cannot even notice the “thievery”. furthermore, this analogy is mangling together data legitimacy, security, and property rights all into one bi…
> the internet is not transporting anything like a road would.
Comparing the internet to a highway system is a common and useful thing to do. Your objections are strange.
> they are not thieving your precious bits,
If I look over your shoulder at the ATM and learn your PIN, is it not clear what I mean when I say that "I've stolen your PIN?"
> mangling together data legitimacy, security, and property rights all into one big ball
Is entirely intentional, because these are things to be worried about on the internet.