Shout out to Sridhar Vembu, founder of Zoho
Zoho's annual revenues surpassed $1B in 2021
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Re: Zoho's annual revenues surpassed $1B in 2021
#52AFAIK they’re the only decent email provider that offers a free account that allows a custom domain. I use the $1/month mail lite plan. It’s nice to have an option that doesn’t cost as much as Microsoft and Google for people that want email on a custom domain, but don’t need all the cruft (drive, apps, etc).
Google workspaces in India costs 125 rupees a month. That's around $1.5. Use a VPN + an international debit card (or wise.com) to pay Google in rupees? Is there a real downside to this?
Re: Zoho's annual revenues surpassed $1B in 2021
#53Until recently I liked ZOHO. For the charity that I worked for, we built our website around ZOHO. They made us buy 7 licenses at the regular price, and that was a pretty tough arrangement for us. We only had one actual user. The rest were because a bunch of volunteers using one particular product. Zoho would not accept that fact. So we are a bigger part of that $1B than we like.
If the volunteers are using one particular Zoho product then in what sense are they not actual users?
Sometimes these low-code platforms only have one idea of a user. So, maybe you make a app to accept applications for employment. It's reasonable, then, to pay licenses for your developer and your HR staff. But, if you want the candidates to be able to check status of their application, often the licensing is such that you would have to pay for a seat per applicant.
Re: Zoho's annual revenues surpassed $1B in 2021
#54AFAIK they’re the only decent email provider that offers a free account that allows a custom domain. I use the $1/month mail lite plan. It’s nice to have an option that doesn’t cost as much as Microsoft and Google for people that want email on a custom domain, but don’t need all the cruft (drive, apps, etc).
Google workspaces in India costs 125 rupees a month. That's around $1.5. Use a VPN + an international debit card (or wise.com) to pay Google in rupees? Is there a real downside to this?
> Is there a real downside to this?
Google figuring out you are not in India and blocking your account
Re: Zoho's annual revenues surpassed $1B in 2021
#55AFAIK they’re the only decent email provider that offers a free account that allows a custom domain. I use the $1/month mail lite plan. It’s nice to have an option that doesn’t cost as much as Microsoft and Google for people that want email on a custom domain, but don’t need all the cruft (drive, apps, etc).
Google workspaces in India costs 125 rupees a month. That's around $1.5. Use a VPN + an international debit card (or wise.com) to pay Google in rupees? Is there a real downside to this?
For some people the downside would be using Google, and/or jumping all that hoops.
For that price I rather use Migadu, that has a 19$ Year plan.
Re: Zoho's annual revenues surpassed $1B in 2021
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
last i checked (about half a year ago), they didn’t support IPv6. a tired meme, but it actually has economic impacts on my self-hoster friends. almost all ISPs block the SMTP port, and it’s way cheaper (free, even) to get an unblocked IPv6 address than an IPv4 one just because of address exhaustion. so if i used Zoho i’d kinda be forcing them to pay more if they want to be able to reach me :/
I don't get it. Your friends wouldn't be paying to connect to your Ipv4.
I think the idea is that he has friends with SMTP outbound that is only capable of ipv6. Zoho doesn't listen on any ipv6 addresses, and doesn't have any MX records that map to AAAA/ipv6, so mail from them doesn't get to Zoho.
Though I suspect Zoho is not the only medium sized email provider that doesn't support ipv6.
Re: Zoho's annual revenues surpassed $1B in 2021
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google workspaces in India costs 125 rupees a month. That's around $1.5. Use a VPN + an international debit card (or wise.com) to pay Google in rupees? Is there a real downside to this?
> Is there a real downside to this? Google figuring out you are not in India and blocking your account
Ah, yep, they seem on to this:
Re: Zoho's annual revenues surpassed $1B in 2021
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Bullshit. India is not an autocratic country. Indian people’s rights are well protected by rule of law.
Are you serious? I wish there were an an emoji for a hollow, scornful laugh. India is not an autocratic country only as long as the autocrats at any level don't deem you a threat. Otherwise you are screwed. When the law makers and law enforcers form a tight bond, what is the meaning of "protected" and "rule of law"? Try getting the law involved when you don't want to pay a bribe. Try peacefully protesting for people'…
It's the same in western countries
Re: Zoho's annual revenues surpassed $1B in 2021
#59AFAIK they’re the only decent email provider that offers a free account that allows a custom domain. I use the $1/month mail lite plan. It’s nice to have an option that doesn’t cost as much as Microsoft and Google for people that want email on a custom domain, but don’t need all the cruft (drive, apps, etc).
last i checked (about half a year ago), they didn’t support IPv6. a tired meme, but it actually has economic impacts on my self-hoster friends. almost all ISPs block the SMTP port, and it’s way cheaper (free, even) to get an unblocked IPv6 address than an IPv4 one just because of address exhaustion. so if i used Zoho i’d kinda be forcing them to pay more if they want to be able to reach me :/
> almost all ISPs block the SMTP port,
Is that a US thing? Or which country are you talking about? I’ve never had any port blocked in Germany.
Re: Zoho's annual revenues surpassed $1B in 2021
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you serious? I wish there were an an emoji for a hollow, scornful laugh. India is not an autocratic country only as long as the autocrats at any level don't deem you a threat. Otherwise you are screwed. When the law makers and law enforcers form a tight bond, what is the meaning of "protected" and "rule of law"? Try getting the law involved when you don't want to pay a bribe. Try peacefully protesting for people'…
It's the same in western countries
No, not really. Of course shit happens everywhere, but the scale is VASTLY different.