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They put a different meter on it and it was prohibitively expensive. ATT was early on a lot of technology such as working with MagicCap and Go. They had their own Hobbit processor. It was pretty cool tech until you saw the pricetag. Then you laughed, and laughed, tears rolled down your face ... $2,000 devices in 1995 money with $200/month usage bills being common (modern money is about double so think $4,000 tablet)…

There’s a movie directed by Wim Wenders called “Until the End of the World” with tech similar to this. It’s a Pay phones actually, where you’d flip the arm with the screen up attached up to make a call and down to end a call. The movie is really an alternate universe where tech like this is ubiquitous. There’s something about the late 90s / early 00s vision for tech future I have an increasingly difficult time graspi…

features in the trailer around 30 seconds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfFWBWKwQT8

You want that era? Here's two things to flip through

https://archive.org/search.php?query=mondo+2000

https://archive.org/search.php?query=verbum%20magazine

I went deep into that for back research on my most recent article https://siliconfolklore.com/internet-history/

I'll revisit it soon for something else I'm sure. Maybe the Douglas Rushkoff Cyberia world where this tech scene was entangled with the most hedonistic strains of new-ageism and overly indulgent on psychotropics - where a burner rambling about their dreams who won't live to see Y2K is somehow in the same car with a 25 year old stanford grad who just made $10 million and maybe just maybe how these ways of meaning somehow re-emerged together 20 years later to build the modern far right.

That's not my theory here btw, that's what I've been hearing from the journalists that covered it in the 90s. Pulling those narratives together from an outsider perspective using primary source material ... that's my offer.

Re: Cameras on phones? (2001) [video]

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Around ~2005 I had a Sony Ericsson K300, and my main method was to send pictures to the computer via infrared (yes I had to buy an infrared USB dongle) and then posting them on skyblog.com The phone could even tether its GPRS connection via infrared! That always amazed me!

Yup looks similar to the one I had. I bought it at Car Toys because there weren't even T-Mobile stores yet. It took like 2 hours to transfer my number from another carrier (a new ability at the time!) and activate the account - what a process! I remember the keypad was kinda small for my giant hands, but it would connect via this thing called "Bluetooth" to my Mac. Every time you got a text, it would show up on my Ma…

> I realized you can copy and paste between a Mac and an iPhone you had on the same Apple ID

whoa

Although I didn't realize that compromised phone can steal data from my laptop :|

Re: Cameras on phones? (2001) [video]

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_free_ dataplans in 2006? Is in "all you can use" data at a fixed price? I haven't seen that anywhere ever. Europe, Asia, middle east. Back in 06, I could buy a $5 add-on to stream Youtube on my 3 subscription, but the handsets were so terrible, the thought of doing that never occurred to me. I had a 1 month subscription to music streaming on my 3 handset and it drained the phone battery within an hour. I could acces…

I recall (in a European country) a brief time window around then when you indeed could a get an unlimited plan rather cheaply. There were no restriction on tethering either so you could get unlimited data on your laptop. Considering how low GPRS/EDGE bandwidth was (and that only a very limited number of people probably did this) the operators probably didn't mind, they added caps pretty soon after '3G' came out.

Can confirm. Not sure where the actual caps were but it was basically free to use for me as a teenager

Re: Cameras on phones? (2001) [video]

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He is right, media over MMS never took off. Mobile internet with messaging apps were the next big thing. Phones of that era were not capable of user friendly apps.

MMS was kinda popular around here when picture phones and the first weird meme videos became popular. Pretty sure most of the time our teen prepaid contracts contained a few free mms and receiving was free with the SIM I had.

Re: Cameras on phones? (2001) [video]

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MMS' where ridiculously expensive when they came out. 2-3 times a regular text message wouldn't do it. On top of that, MMS was janky AF (probably still is. I don't know anyone who uses them on purpose). Unclear if receiver could receive your message. If they couldn't, you still had to pay. Sometimes they'd receive a link instead of a picture, sometimes just junk. Pictures where already pretty lousy straight off the p…

This was because operators wanted the cash flow. SMS was a goldmine. So naturally they tried to get in on the MMS. The operators were also really bad in producing any kind of services that customers wanted. The WAP era was full of applications that nobody used, like "get a poem for a lady". I think they cost per use. Really short sighted. But operators didn't have the kind of thinking or resources required. In Europe…

“because operators wanted the cash flow“

It's impossible to put too much emphasis on this part. The envisioned MMS money deluge never happened (at least outside Japan? I have zero understanding of market history there), but it was the sole reason that suddenly all phones had cameras. In those days network operators were still the almost exclusive sales channel for phone hardware, so if they decided that phones without camera would not sell, that's what happened. Even if no consumer actually wanted that feature.

I really believe that in an alternative history where the SMS goldmine never happened (and thus no MMS goldmine illusions) it's possible (though not likely?) that we might still use dedicated hardware for image capture. And in that case, given the political implications of "every person always has a camera with them", world history would be meaningfully different, just because its past does not contain that future that never happened (MMS goldmine).

Re: Cameras on phones? (2001) [video]

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MMS' where ridiculously expensive when they came out. 2-3 times a regular text message wouldn't do it. On top of that, MMS was janky AF (probably still is. I don't know anyone who uses them on purpose). Unclear if receiver could receive your message. If they couldn't, you still had to pay. Sometimes they'd receive a link instead of a picture, sometimes just junk. Pictures where already pretty lousy straight off the p…

MMS actually work now as everyone has data on the phone. Ten years back, MMS was crap.

Re: Cameras on phones? (2001) [video]

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MMS' where ridiculously expensive when they came out. 2-3 times a regular text message wouldn't do it. On top of that, MMS was janky AF (probably still is. I don't know anyone who uses them on purpose). Unclear if receiver could receive your message. If they couldn't, you still had to pay. Sometimes they'd receive a link instead of a picture, sometimes just junk. Pictures where already pretty lousy straight off the p…

I owned MMS platform for a carrier back in the day. Everything about it was janky. "Hey let's emulate SMTP commands but over HTTP and then try to track all the different models of phones to transcribe images so they can kinda sorta interopate" Thenb you got to watch the huge queue build up every Christmas morning and New Years as the inter carrier brokers got backed up hours. All in all, not my favorite carrier app t…

Heh, thank you for that perspective, really interesting to see that it did not only fail from completely off the charts expectations based on extrapolating from the SMS outlier.

Re: Cameras on phones? (2001) [video]

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In the early 2000's, I remember in art school I did a project that involved driving around the country, leaving tiny sculptures wherever I went. To keep people updated where I was, I made a Perl script that accepted messages and photos sent to it that I authored on my fancy Sony Ericson picture phone. The script would update a website showing the photos and messages in reverse chronological order. Took maybe about 3…

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Re: Cameras on phones? (2001) [video]

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I remember seeing a land-line phone with video capability on a prime time talk show sometime in the 2000s as it was presented as a thing from the future. I'm glad that never really took off :D

In Europe (France) there was a much earlier experiment (subsidized, the actual cost was astronomical) in the city of Biarritz:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32062275

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16347686

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