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The Age of PageRank Is Over

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Re: The Age of PageRank Is Over

#301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should've specified I meant movies and other large conglomerates that tend towards oligopoly. I mean things like Disney+ shouldn't exist, its extending the concentration of market power vertically too.

I real wish that HN wannabe lawyers would stop throwing *poly words around with no legal justification. In the streaming space in the US there is: Netflix, Disney+, AppleTV, Amazon Prime Video, HBO/Discovery, Paramount Plus, Peacock, STARZ, and a few other players. There is no “opoly” in streaming video.

That’s still a small number of players dominating the market. That’s the definition of an Oligopoly, and the Disney/HBO offerings very much fall into that.

They certainly have the ability to uniformly raise prices (tacit collusion) with no viable competition to enter the market and fill the gap (as even the vast sums others have thrown into it have shown how hard it is to produce good original content).

This is probably due to the characteristic that producing goods (decent original content) in this market is a big barrier to entry - which naturally leads to a small number of players. Natural monopolies and oligopolies are common - but do require closer regulatory attention to ensure desirable consumer outcomes than just letting the free market decide.

It may not entirely fit all definitions, but the general economic theory and applications/implications are relevant to consider this market.

The original post that you questioned was related to vertical integration - you could effectively find and replace it to “so you’re saying producers of operating systems shouldn’t be able to make their own web browser?”

Re: The Age of PageRank Is Over

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> It's only on an entry-level account So far. I imagine they will be expanding it over time.

HBO started broadcasting 50 years ago, charging a monthly fee for commercial free movies (often released much earlier than on cable) and tv shows. With the exception of filler ads for their own content that occurs when they need to wait for the next quarter time, ex movie ended at 12:55pm. There have been no ads

Aren't those called "promos" since they aren't ads, specifically as they aren't paid for?

Re: The Age of PageRank Is Over

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I've been using Kagi the last few months. I've never had a reason to complain about its search results - they seem to work plenty well enough day to day that I don't really 'notice' them. Like most, I now search reflexively, as an extension of the mind, so I only 'notice' search when it's bad. What really excites me is that is that I'm paying them. That sounds odd, but seriously. It's incredibly refreshing to know th…

>It's incredibly refreshing to know that the company providing my search results has an incentive to make things better for _me_ and not a legion of advertisers Cable television and netflix have made it quite clear that payment does not mean “no ads”, it just means “no ads, yet”. It still might be a better alternative in the short term, but the moment growth starts to peak, companies follow where the incentives lead…

Cable was never intended to be ad free. It was originally a method to rebroadcast over the air content from the broadcast stations in areas that couldn’t get a signal. You’re paying for the infrastructure to make that possible - not the content.

Complaining that cable TV isn’t ad free because you pay for it is like saying all content over the internet isn’t Ad free because you pay for your internet connection.

Re: The Age of PageRank Is Over

#304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's only on an entry-level account So far. I imagine they will be expanding it over time.

HBO started broadcasting 50 years ago, charging a monthly fee for commercial free movies (often released much earlier than on cable) and tv shows. With the exception of filler ads for their own content that occurs when they need to wait for the next quarter time, ex movie ended at 12:55pm. There have been no ads

It's the exception that proves the rule. HBO has always marketed as a premium service, while Netflix's goal is to reach every home.

Re: The Age of PageRank Is Over

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I've been using Kagi the last few months. I've never had a reason to complain about its search results - they seem to work plenty well enough day to day that I don't really 'notice' them. Like most, I now search reflexively, as an extension of the mind, so I only 'notice' search when it's bad. What really excites me is that is that I'm paying them. That sounds odd, but seriously. It's incredibly refreshing to know th…

The reason that I'm not using Kagi (and some of my paid subscriptions) is that payments require login, and login makes it possible to track my search history. I'm happy with paying them with money, but not with my keywords.

Is there some zero-knowledge protocol that could help here? In particular, to establish that a user is currently subscribed, without revealing which subscription they have?

Re: The Age of PageRank Is Over

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post #165

I've been using Kagi the last few months. I've never had a reason to complain about its search results - they seem to work plenty well enough day to day that I don't really 'notice' them. Like most, I now search reflexively, as an extension of the mind, so I only 'notice' search when it's bad. What really excites me is that is that I'm paying them. That sounds odd, but seriously. It's incredibly refreshing to know th…

>It's incredibly refreshing to know that the company providing my search results has an incentive to make things better for _me_ and not a legion of advertisers Cable television and netflix have made it quite clear that payment does not mean “no ads”, it just means “no ads, yet”. It still might be a better alternative in the short term, but the moment growth starts to peak, companies follow where the incentives lead…

Well ... I also made Netflix clear that my subscription means "no torrents, yet"

Re: The Age of PageRank Is Over

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post #165

I've been using Kagi the last few months. I've never had a reason to complain about its search results - they seem to work plenty well enough day to day that I don't really 'notice' them. Like most, I now search reflexively, as an extension of the mind, so I only 'notice' search when it's bad. What really excites me is that is that I'm paying them. That sounds odd, but seriously. It's incredibly refreshing to know th…

>It's incredibly refreshing to know that the company providing my search results has an incentive to make things better for _me_ and not a legion of advertisers Cable television and netflix have made it quite clear that payment does not mean “no ads”, it just means “no ads, yet”. It still might be a better alternative in the short term, but the moment growth starts to peak, companies follow where the incentives lead…

>Cable television and netflix have made it quite clear that payment does not mean “no ads”, it just means “no ads, yet”.

'It's better to be a millionaire hero than a billionaire asshole' (Ben Elton, Gridlock)

Of course at $10/month even a 1% share of the search engine market would make the company worth billions.

Re: The Age of PageRank Is Over

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I just signed up and tried it a little bit and I like what I see so far. I find myself increasingly frustrated with Google search results for a particular use case: searching for documentation. For example, today's work had me thinking about Python's datetime and timedelta and I wanted a reference on what functions are available. With Google I am annoyed with results from geeksforgeeks.org and freecodecamp.com becaus…

The blogspam has made Google and Bing/DDG almost completely unusable for technical searches. Go search for something like "postgres cte" and you won't find anything useful until probably halfway down the page. And maybe not at all.

Just Googled it, the first result is official postgres documentation, second is a tutorial, what exactly you get / expect when you search for it?

Re: The Age of PageRank Is Over

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post #307
post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's incredibly refreshing to know that the company providing my search results has an incentive to make things better for _me_ and not a legion of advertisers Cable television and netflix have made it quite clear that payment does not mean “no ads”, it just means “no ads, yet”. It still might be a better alternative in the short term, but the moment growth starts to peak, companies follow where the incentives lead…

>Cable television and netflix have made it quite clear that payment does not mean “no ads”, it just means “no ads, yet”. 'It's better to be a millionaire hero than a billionaire asshole' (Ben Elton, Gridlock ) Of course at $10/month even a 1% share of the search engine market would make the company worth billions.

Perhaps, but the millionaire hero will likely be outcompeted by the billionaire "asshole"

Re: The Age of PageRank Is Over

#310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I real wish that HN wannabe lawyers would stop throwing *poly words around with no legal justification. In the streaming space in the US there is: Netflix, Disney+, AppleTV, Amazon Prime Video, HBO/Discovery, Paramount Plus, Peacock, STARZ, and a few other players. There is no “opoly” in streaming video.

That’s still a small number of players dominating the market. That’s the definition of an Oligopoly, and the Disney/HBO offerings very much fall into that. They certainly have the ability to uniformly raise prices (tacit collusion) with no viable competition to enter the market and fill the gap (as even the vast sums others have thrown into it have shown how hard it is to produce good original content). This is proba…

> That’s still a small number of players dominating the market. That’s the definition of an Oligopoly, and the Disney/HBO offerings very much fall into that.

The market is “content”. Netflix competes with YouTube content producers, TikTok and it even said that one of its biggest competitors is Fortnite.

> This is probably due to the characteristic that producing goods (decent original content)

This goes back to YouTube. You and I may not think that YouTubers and TikTokkers are producing “decent original content”. But there is a generation that spends hours on both.

Besides that, there were over 550 original series being produced last year (https://collider.com/too-many-tv-shows-550-series-2021/). Competition is much fiercer for your attention than it was when you only had the three major networks producing content and everyone else buying rights to show reruns.

There are bidding wars between all of the streaming services for new content from producers. Competition is more fierce than ever.

The price of streaming before was never sustainable. Netflix was borrowing billions a year for years to produce and obtain content. Disney+ was never going to be profitable selling its service at the introductory price. It’s not “collusion”. Every company has to turn a profit eventually.

Yes I realize that Netflix was “profitable” by GAAP standards. But it was getting deeper in debt every year.

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